From what I have learned over the years, there should be no such thing as a mandatory (forced) inoculation. My growing information and religious beliefs strongly disagree with such a thing. The mRNA gene therapies are toxic and are not for mass use, if at all. The ingredients are not given to the public, so therefore proper consent can never be given.
There should be no such thing on principle. The issue of consent is really its own separate issue. It's always wrong to force and coerce, no matter what information has been dispensed and how. And they have been doing so (forcing). So while it's true that informed consent has been missing, that is not necessarily the reason for it being wrong to force people if that makes sense. They will always contrive some appearance of justification one way or another, so it must be rejected wholesale always. People can and always have been able to seek out whatever intervention they want, so there's simply never any justification to force people, that is always about the underlying insatiable lust for power and control with a lot of people being confused along the way.
Marc, I completely agree with what you are saying. I apology for jumbling my thoughts. Forcing anyone to take or follow any supposed public health initiative is wrong. Public health is usually, if not most often a socialistic principle, usually based on faulty science. It is look at the family planning aspect, it is fully supported by the Rockefeller Foundation and the World Health Organization.
Thanks Elizabeth great work, we have some truly great politicians like Gerrad Renneck Malcolm Roberts, Alex Antic who see the truth and stand for truth… Scott Morrison was never one of them..
It appears, and maybe I've drawn wrong conclusions, that you and Dr. Malik are still of the thinking that there are airborne pathogens called "viruses," and that contagion is an actuality. Are you aware, for example, that "Covid" is a COUNTERMEASURE developed by DARPA, of the DOD of the USA? Yes, that means it's a WEAPON. This is a very very DARK -- well, let's just say the word: EVIL, plan to basically wipe out a huge portion of the Human Race. Sounds insane, yes. It IS.
Either you are unaware of the lack of evidence for either viruses OR contagion, or you are deliberately pretending that they exist, and sidelining by arguing for the "rights" of people to refuse mandatory medical procedures. Or... is it just mandatory "vaccination"? I hope that if this is just being unaware of what we've learned in the past four years, and not a deliberate dismissal, for whatever reason, of these latter day discoveries...
NO VACCINE is "SAFE."
Because of your resistance to MANDATES, and because you are clearly quite intelligent, I am hopeful that IF INDEED you are honestly against mandated medical procedures, that you are also AWARE that there is no "virus," as far as we know. That there has NEVER been an actual ISOLATION of any virus and that virology is a sham on its face. And that VACCINES are not only unnecessary, but anathema.
From what you're saying, I'm hoping that you are simply not so far along the road of learning about what's happening in the world... Because NO vaccine is good. The idea behind vaccination is FAULTY. Here's a book, published in 1925!!! that will explain the situation... "Bechamp or Pasteur?" by Ethel Douglas Hume. Vaccination is a lie. Virology is a lie. Pasteur was a liar. TERRAIN THEORY. That's the ticket.
The subject of my discussion with Ahmad Malik is mandatory vaccination and informed consent.
Are you suggesting that vaccine mandates don’t exist?
I can assure you they do, coercion and mandates were widespread across Australia during the height of Covid madness.
Now, according to government statistics, 71.5 million injections have been administered in Australia, across a population of 26 million, I say without valid consent. This is the reality, people have been injected without valid consent.
In regard to my opinion of ‘Covid’, the Twitter link provided gives a snapshot, i.e. the clip includes two quotes from around 44:00:
QUOTE
…the regulator of doctors and the medical colleges and the professional organisations, they should have jumped up immediately when mandates were touted and should have said, we can't do this. We cannot collaborate with mandated medical interventions. But they did not do that…
I am questioning, we can see this with COVID. It is absolutely, for people who, critical thinking people who are looking at this, they can see that COVID was a complete beat up. They can see that millions and billions of people have been injected against something that they didn't need to be injected for. They just didn't need to do this. This now opens up the whole schedule.
This means now, have we been told a tissue of lies about all these other diseases? Let's have a look at HPV, for example.
I’m an individual challenging ‘the authorities’ about the reality of coercive and mandatory vaccination.
I’ve already indicated I’m questioning the seriousness of diseases being promoted to justify vaccines, as noted in the Twitter link provided.
If you’ve got an issue with ‘viruses’ etc, take it up yourself with ‘the authorities’ - are you doing this? Have you got links to your letters, papers on the subject?
I'm not a scientist. I'm a researcher. Just on my own. I READ the papers of scientists. I read about the efforts of journalists, but I'm not a paid journalist. I "report" on that which others report on in order to spread the word, foment discussion, and compare notes, as it were, mostly on Substack. In short, I'm an educated, concerned (to put it mildly) citizen who does understand the science and the journalism-- when it's ALLOWED to be published (and one might ask, Why the censorship?! I understand WHY it's often censored.
I'm a Big Picture person, who strives to inform others with an overview, after reading/listening to "experts" talking about what they find. I don't claim to be right about everything all the time, but I do put in the time and effort to research what I say, and make an effort to not pass along erroneous ideas.
What is interesting is that there is a spectrum of people writing and recording data and materials, many of them being professionals, like yourself, and of this spectrum of people there is a number of those who really, truly understand the science, those who are keeping track of various issues regarding medical, social, financial, legal, political, and whatever other sorts of pertinent information that pertain to our current situation, globally, nationally, locally... I seek them out. I want to have those persons as resources.
So, when I see persons such as yourself and Dr. Malik, who are clearly intelligent individuals, talking about something like mandated medical procedures, and especially these days, in regard to VACCINATION, I have to wonder why sometimes there exists a rather obvious lack of recognition that virology, contagion, disease, and so forth, is full of erroneous and harmful practices. That is why I'm trying to ascertain if you are avoiding that discussion or if you are UNAWARE of certain things -- understandably, since we have so much censorship!-- or whether you have some other reason to give the impression that vaccination is FINE, just not mandated.
I love your outrage that it IS mandated, and/or has been. I agree about the vaccination of children without any thought to their rights as human beings. ON THE DAY OF BIRTH, for God's sake! Do we dare to look behind these issues? Do we question WHY there are issues about this, aside from the obvious medical procedures being forced on us?
I do. I question everything. For four years I've been doing my homework on various aspects of our Current Events, with the medical issues being quite to the forefront.
After nearly 200-years of misinformation, misrepresentation, and misuse of medical (and other kinds of) science, and the newer (and often much, much older) information, in many subjects of interest, from the discussion.
I believe there is a genocide going on. There is AMPLE evidence of this, and if you can't quite believe that, then at least I should think you'd be aware that there is a GLOBALIST movement to curtail our rights, and that there is copious evidence of HARM coming from these "Covid" inoculations.
So I'm asking: Are you aware of these issues, beyond simply mandated medication? I would just like to know. You are not required to answer. I mean no disrespect, but I feel it's a reasonable question posed to doctors. You put yourself into the public sphere as I do, so I would expect you to ask questions of me, too, which you did.
Thank you for your time, I am after Truth, not trying to bother people.
I started investigating vaccination in 2008 after one of my dogs became very ill and was put down after what I subsequently discovered was unnecessary vaccination.
I don't claim to have any expertise in immunology, vaccinology, virology. It seems these are areas that are fraught with controversy, because vested interests associated with the vaccine industry want to keep the lid on this.
For my position I don't need to get down into the weeds of the 'virus/no virus' argument. I'm simply saying that people must not be subject to coercive and mandatory vaccination, and they must be properly informed about the issues to give their consent or otherwise to these interventions.
In an ideal world, 'the authorities', and the medical profession should be informing the public truthfully about these matters, and people making their own decision.
We are now in a dire situation with governments imposing vaccine mandates on their whim. This is what I'm fighting against. This is what my substack is about.
I also want an investigation into the entire 'womb to tomb' vaccination schedule, which is mired in conflicts of interest.
If you want to argue the ins and out of the 'virus/no virus' argument I suggest you could do this on your own substack with people who are well read in this area, and undertake your own correspondence.
The expertise that I have in immunology, vaccinology, virology is a pretty small amount of study, relatively speaking, with the actual work of it done by other, expert, people. All I’ve done is read, listen, and use my good brain. It’s not ROCKET SCIENCE. :) I am a Skeptic. I have nothing to lose at this point, so I speak out, and I always will.
I can see that you are unwilling to go any further at this time. It’s clear that many who speak out on this subject are pressured in one way or another. It’s not my job to figure out whether you are part of the problem or simply afraid to delve into something you aren’t expert on…. or what. I find it baffling that a DOCTOR who is trying to protect babies and children from “unneccesary vaccines” would balk at finding out whether or not there has ever been ONE virus that’s been isolated… Here’s the answer: NOT ONE. When one considers the amount of MONEY the vaccine industry sucks out of Humanity, it’s a real eye-opener!
We are living through EXTRAORDINARY TIMES. A time when “vaccines” are being used to cull the population, it behooves us, ALL of us, to know what is going on, and to protect those we can. It’s not required that you take a public stance, but you do have a duty to your patients. “Virology” is a sham. No virus has ever been isolated. Contagion has never been proven. There. I’ve planted some helpful seeds, the seeds that I have NO doubts about, re veracity. It’s up to you after this, I won’t bother you anymore. I think you’re a good person, just by intuition… so, on that note, I sincerely wish you well, have a good life, and if you doubt ME, look to Mike Yeadon, who is also on Substack, and has only recently publicly declared that he understands the myth of the “virus.” xo xo
And PS: Why is there GRAPHENE in every inoculation? Look up the amazing hero Ricardo Delgado, La Quinta Columna... IT'S A CULL. The reason for boosters and continuing shots... GRAPHENE is naturally detoxed by the body, through the lungs. So, the need for multiple jabs... It's a CULL. It makes sense, when you get past the horror and disbelief.
From what I have learned over the years, there should be no such thing as a mandatory (forced) inoculation. My growing information and religious beliefs strongly disagree with such a thing. The mRNA gene therapies are toxic and are not for mass use, if at all. The ingredients are not given to the public, so therefore proper consent can never be given.
There should be no such thing on principle. The issue of consent is really its own separate issue. It's always wrong to force and coerce, no matter what information has been dispensed and how. And they have been doing so (forcing). So while it's true that informed consent has been missing, that is not necessarily the reason for it being wrong to force people if that makes sense. They will always contrive some appearance of justification one way or another, so it must be rejected wholesale always. People can and always have been able to seek out whatever intervention they want, so there's simply never any justification to force people, that is always about the underlying insatiable lust for power and control with a lot of people being confused along the way.
Marc, I completely agree with what you are saying. I apology for jumbling my thoughts. Forcing anyone to take or follow any supposed public health initiative is wrong. Public health is usually, if not most often a socialistic principle, usually based on faulty science. It is look at the family planning aspect, it is fully supported by the Rockefeller Foundation and the World Health Organization.
No apology needed! :) Just sharing my own thoughts, didn't mean to come off as combative.
Thanks Elizabeth great work, we have some truly great politicians like Gerrad Renneck Malcolm Roberts, Alex Antic who see the truth and stand for truth… Scott Morrison was never one of them..
🇦🇺⚰️ Journalist Ray Martin on the concept of ‘peak death’. Trailer: 3 and a half minutes - https://youtu.be/5dzfNzln8EM?si=pIe635yaUdMFvH5r
It appears, and maybe I've drawn wrong conclusions, that you and Dr. Malik are still of the thinking that there are airborne pathogens called "viruses," and that contagion is an actuality. Are you aware, for example, that "Covid" is a COUNTERMEASURE developed by DARPA, of the DOD of the USA? Yes, that means it's a WEAPON. This is a very very DARK -- well, let's just say the word: EVIL, plan to basically wipe out a huge portion of the Human Race. Sounds insane, yes. It IS.
Either you are unaware of the lack of evidence for either viruses OR contagion, or you are deliberately pretending that they exist, and sidelining by arguing for the "rights" of people to refuse mandatory medical procedures. Or... is it just mandatory "vaccination"? I hope that if this is just being unaware of what we've learned in the past four years, and not a deliberate dismissal, for whatever reason, of these latter day discoveries...
NO VACCINE is "SAFE."
Because of your resistance to MANDATES, and because you are clearly quite intelligent, I am hopeful that IF INDEED you are honestly against mandated medical procedures, that you are also AWARE that there is no "virus," as far as we know. That there has NEVER been an actual ISOLATION of any virus and that virology is a sham on its face. And that VACCINES are not only unnecessary, but anathema.
From what you're saying, I'm hoping that you are simply not so far along the road of learning about what's happening in the world... Because NO vaccine is good. The idea behind vaccination is FAULTY. Here's a book, published in 1925!!! that will explain the situation... "Bechamp or Pasteur?" by Ethel Douglas Hume. Vaccination is a lie. Virology is a lie. Pasteur was a liar. TERRAIN THEORY. That's the ticket.
The subject of my discussion with Ahmad Malik is mandatory vaccination and informed consent.
Are you suggesting that vaccine mandates don’t exist?
I can assure you they do, coercion and mandates were widespread across Australia during the height of Covid madness.
Now, according to government statistics, 71.5 million injections have been administered in Australia, across a population of 26 million, I say without valid consent. This is the reality, people have been injected without valid consent.
In regard to my opinion of ‘Covid’, the Twitter link provided gives a snapshot, i.e. the clip includes two quotes from around 44:00:
QUOTE
…the regulator of doctors and the medical colleges and the professional organisations, they should have jumped up immediately when mandates were touted and should have said, we can't do this. We cannot collaborate with mandated medical interventions. But they did not do that…
I am questioning, we can see this with COVID. It is absolutely, for people who, critical thinking people who are looking at this, they can see that COVID was a complete beat up. They can see that millions and billions of people have been injected against something that they didn't need to be injected for. They just didn't need to do this. This now opens up the whole schedule.
This means now, have we been told a tissue of lies about all these other diseases? Let's have a look at HPV, for example.
END OF QUOTE
And YES, we've been told a vast tissue of LIES.
If you really don't understand, and you're not sidestepping, this is very short and very clear. This is how real heroes do what they do:
https://covidproject.substack.com/p/history-of-a-genocide-xxxvii#media-5b394a05-22be-44d3-803d-3b775d04c593
I guess you don't want to address what I was actually asking/saying. Okay.
I’m an individual challenging ‘the authorities’ about the reality of coercive and mandatory vaccination.
I’ve already indicated I’m questioning the seriousness of diseases being promoted to justify vaccines, as noted in the Twitter link provided.
If you’ve got an issue with ‘viruses’ etc, take it up yourself with ‘the authorities’ - are you doing this? Have you got links to your letters, papers on the subject?
I'm not a scientist. I'm a researcher. Just on my own. I READ the papers of scientists. I read about the efforts of journalists, but I'm not a paid journalist. I "report" on that which others report on in order to spread the word, foment discussion, and compare notes, as it were, mostly on Substack. In short, I'm an educated, concerned (to put it mildly) citizen who does understand the science and the journalism-- when it's ALLOWED to be published (and one might ask, Why the censorship?! I understand WHY it's often censored.
I'm a Big Picture person, who strives to inform others with an overview, after reading/listening to "experts" talking about what they find. I don't claim to be right about everything all the time, but I do put in the time and effort to research what I say, and make an effort to not pass along erroneous ideas.
What is interesting is that there is a spectrum of people writing and recording data and materials, many of them being professionals, like yourself, and of this spectrum of people there is a number of those who really, truly understand the science, those who are keeping track of various issues regarding medical, social, financial, legal, political, and whatever other sorts of pertinent information that pertain to our current situation, globally, nationally, locally... I seek them out. I want to have those persons as resources.
So, when I see persons such as yourself and Dr. Malik, who are clearly intelligent individuals, talking about something like mandated medical procedures, and especially these days, in regard to VACCINATION, I have to wonder why sometimes there exists a rather obvious lack of recognition that virology, contagion, disease, and so forth, is full of erroneous and harmful practices. That is why I'm trying to ascertain if you are avoiding that discussion or if you are UNAWARE of certain things -- understandably, since we have so much censorship!-- or whether you have some other reason to give the impression that vaccination is FINE, just not mandated.
I love your outrage that it IS mandated, and/or has been. I agree about the vaccination of children without any thought to their rights as human beings. ON THE DAY OF BIRTH, for God's sake! Do we dare to look behind these issues? Do we question WHY there are issues about this, aside from the obvious medical procedures being forced on us?
I do. I question everything. For four years I've been doing my homework on various aspects of our Current Events, with the medical issues being quite to the forefront.
After nearly 200-years of misinformation, misrepresentation, and misuse of medical (and other kinds of) science, and the newer (and often much, much older) information, in many subjects of interest, from the discussion.
I believe there is a genocide going on. There is AMPLE evidence of this, and if you can't quite believe that, then at least I should think you'd be aware that there is a GLOBALIST movement to curtail our rights, and that there is copious evidence of HARM coming from these "Covid" inoculations.
So I'm asking: Are you aware of these issues, beyond simply mandated medication? I would just like to know. You are not required to answer. I mean no disrespect, but I feel it's a reasonable question posed to doctors. You put yourself into the public sphere as I do, so I would expect you to ask questions of me, too, which you did.
Thank you for your time, I am after Truth, not trying to bother people.
I started investigating vaccination in 2008 after one of my dogs became very ill and was put down after what I subsequently discovered was unnecessary vaccination.
I don't claim to have any expertise in immunology, vaccinology, virology. It seems these are areas that are fraught with controversy, because vested interests associated with the vaccine industry want to keep the lid on this.
For my position I don't need to get down into the weeds of the 'virus/no virus' argument. I'm simply saying that people must not be subject to coercive and mandatory vaccination, and they must be properly informed about the issues to give their consent or otherwise to these interventions.
In an ideal world, 'the authorities', and the medical profession should be informing the public truthfully about these matters, and people making their own decision.
We are now in a dire situation with governments imposing vaccine mandates on their whim. This is what I'm fighting against. This is what my substack is about.
I also want an investigation into the entire 'womb to tomb' vaccination schedule, which is mired in conflicts of interest.
If you want to argue the ins and out of the 'virus/no virus' argument I suggest you could do this on your own substack with people who are well read in this area, and undertake your own correspondence.
The expertise that I have in immunology, vaccinology, virology is a pretty small amount of study, relatively speaking, with the actual work of it done by other, expert, people. All I’ve done is read, listen, and use my good brain. It’s not ROCKET SCIENCE. :) I am a Skeptic. I have nothing to lose at this point, so I speak out, and I always will.
I can see that you are unwilling to go any further at this time. It’s clear that many who speak out on this subject are pressured in one way or another. It’s not my job to figure out whether you are part of the problem or simply afraid to delve into something you aren’t expert on…. or what. I find it baffling that a DOCTOR who is trying to protect babies and children from “unneccesary vaccines” would balk at finding out whether or not there has ever been ONE virus that’s been isolated… Here’s the answer: NOT ONE. When one considers the amount of MONEY the vaccine industry sucks out of Humanity, it’s a real eye-opener!
We are living through EXTRAORDINARY TIMES. A time when “vaccines” are being used to cull the population, it behooves us, ALL of us, to know what is going on, and to protect those we can. It’s not required that you take a public stance, but you do have a duty to your patients. “Virology” is a sham. No virus has ever been isolated. Contagion has never been proven. There. I’ve planted some helpful seeds, the seeds that I have NO doubts about, re veracity. It’s up to you after this, I won’t bother you anymore. I think you’re a good person, just by intuition… so, on that note, I sincerely wish you well, have a good life, and if you doubt ME, look to Mike Yeadon, who is also on Substack, and has only recently publicly declared that he understands the myth of the “virus.” xo xo
And PS: Why is there GRAPHENE in every inoculation? Look up the amazing hero Ricardo Delgado, La Quinta Columna... IT'S A CULL. The reason for boosters and continuing shots... GRAPHENE is naturally detoxed by the body, through the lungs. So, the need for multiple jabs... It's a CULL. It makes sense, when you get past the horror and disbelief.