Could we mostly be just reacting to poisons when we are ill? I suppose one exception could be the phenomenon known as measles. What is it really?
I suspect Yeadon was referring to Arthur Firstenberg's The Invisible Rainbow & the experiments conducted by Rosenau regarding transmission & contagiousness of flu back in the early 1900s.
Experiments To Determine Mode of Spread of Influenza 1919 Milton Rosenau. US Navy.
"As the preliminary trials proved negative, we became bolder, and selecting nineteen of our volunteers, gave each one of them a very large quantity of a mixture of thirteen different strains of the Pfeiffer bacillus, some of them obtained recently from the lungs at necropsy; others were subcultures of varying age, and each of the thirteen had, of course, a different history. Suspensions of these organisms were sprayed with an atomizer into the nose and into the eyes, and back into the throat, while the volunteers were breathing in. We used some billions of these organisms, according to our estimated counts, on each one of the volunteers, but none of them took sick. Then we proceeded to transfer the virus obtained from cases of the disease ; that is, we collected the material and mucous secretions of the mouth and nose and throat and bronchi from cases of the disease and transferred this to our volunteers. We always obtained this material in the same way : The patient with fever, in bed, has a large, shallow, tray like arrangement before him or her, and we washed out one nostril with some sterile salt solution, using perhaps 5 ce., which is allowed to run into this tray ; and that nostril is blown vigorously into the tray. This is repeated with the other nostril. The patient then gargles with some of the solution. Next we obtain some bronchial mucus through coughing, and then we swab the mucous surface of each nares and also the mucous membrane of the throat. We place these swabs with the material in a bottle with glass beads, and add all the material obtained in the tray. This is the stuff we transfer to our volunteers. In this particular experiment, in which we used ten volunteers, each of them received a comparatively small quantity of this, about 1 c.c. sprayed into each nostril and into the throat, while inspiring, and on the eye. None of these took sick. Some of the same material was filtered and instilled into other volunteers but produced no results."
From their conclusion:
"I think we must be very careful not to draw any positive conclusions from negative results of this kind. Many factors must be considered. Our volunteers may not have been susceptible. They may have been immune. They had been exposed as all the rest of the people had been exposed to the disease, although they gave no clinical history of an attack. Dr. McCoy, who with Dr. Richey, did a similar series of experiments on Goat Island, San Francisco, used volunteers who, so far as known, had not been exposed to the outbreak at all, also had negative results, that is, they were unable to reproduce the disease. Perhaps there are factors, or a factor, in the transmission of influenza that we do not know. As a matter of fact, we entered the outbreak with a notion that we knew the cause of the disease, and were quite sure we knew how it was transmitted from person to person. Perhaps, if we have learned anything, it is that we are not quite sure what we know about the disease."
It is telling that these experiments were conducted on Navy personnel. Over the years there has been much experimentation in the military, as I'm sure you're aware. A lot of injections, a lot of poisoning, one might say.
edit - i should also add: Firstenberg's book traces the historical use of electricity from around the industrial revolution onwards. The military were early adopters of radio communications technology. Looking back on it now, it seems probable there were injuries & illnesses attributable to the effects of this technology, in addition to experiments with injections, but the focus was on germ theory.
iya, 'Experiments To Determine Mode of Spread of Influenza 1919 Milton Rosenau. US Navy' is interesting reading!
As they conclude: "Perhaps, if we have learned anything, it is that we are not quite sure what we know about the disease." Doesn't seem like much has changed since then...
Virologist Dr. Stephen Lanka put up a reward for anyone who could prove the measles viruses existed. One person attempted to claim the prize, the case ended up in the German Supreme Court, which considered scientific evidence (and lack of) that the measles virus does not exist.
Other doctors, such as Tom Cowan and Sam & Mark Bailey explain the measles as a natural process that occurs when a child develops into an adult.
Imagine the loss of baby teeth, or physical changes during puberty, or a snake shedding it's skin being attributed to a virus.
My mother recalls me having measles around 18 months of age (this would have been in 1961 in London, and is unlikely to be laboratory verified…) She was a young mother, only 19 years old and I was her first child. She was shocked to see her baby covered in spots and called the doctor to the house. My mother recalls the doctor said I had measles, but told her not to worry, they would just run their course (a rather more benign message than we receive nowadays…) My mother said the spots lasted about ten days and I did not seem to be too adversely affected. She said “it did not put you off your food in any way” and “you used to sleep right through the night from 10.00 pm to 6.00 am.”
From a 1962 paper: “This self-limiting infection of short duration, moderate severity, and low fatality has maintained a remarkably stable biological balance over the centuries.”
I have also read that measles is dangerous to malnourished children, however there are papers that push back against this. It seems the Science is determined to have counter arguments to everything in an attempt to maintain its credibility.
Ha! You've pipped me to the post iya... That's the paper I plan to bring up in another substack post. I'll raise it on another dedicated measles thread soon.
You must be very similar in age to me! What bother me now about diseases like this is the fact that vaccines for various things were around then. They may have caused what was identified as measles.
Yes, I'm aware of Lanka, Cowan & The Baileys. I've followed Cowan for years, since he published his Vaccines, Autoimmunity & The Changing Nature of Childhood Illness book. Yes, measles as a childhood maturation process is how they describe it. They may be correct. However, the clearly contagious nature of the illness (measles & chickenpox parties) means there is more going on. Cowan has made reference to some type of "resonance" being responsible for transmission.
As you say iya, there does appear to be more going on...
And there's a lot going on with vaccine products, an alarming number now being given to children, and with everyone in the frame for the 'womb to tomb' vaccination schedule. Against diseases which aren't a serious threat to most people. This really has to be investigated now, this idea of giving mass populations vaccines to purportedly prevent a disease, particularly with vaccination mandates being imposed, e.g. as happened with Covid in Australia.
Now would be the time to put both vaccination & virology on trial. Make the government prove that vaccination is causing more good than harm. There is a plethora of scientific material that shows vaccination in a very bad light.
However, as was recently shown by the Babies case, the government's strategy was to challenge the standing of the plaintiffs. They will try every avenue possible to prevent any case from being heard on its merits.
Contagion MUST be real because in 2017 the BBC, Cambridge University and LSHTM conducted an experiment involving 30,000 volunteers. They infected them with a virus and then watched as they spread the disease all over the UK. The data collected from this experiment became (in their own words) "the new gold standard" for modelling contagious diseases, and it was officially acknowledged that this model was used two years later to dictate government policies (ie lockdown) at the start of 2020.
This is all 100% true. I mean it's basically true. More or less.
OK... so what they actually did is have the 30,000 volunteers download an app on their phone and then they tracked the phones for a few months and made a model out of that.
Still... smartphones... people .... what's the difference when it comes to simulating how disease works?!
I mean, it's no big deal anyway, because the model was only used to lock down the country, destroy small businesses, prevent fathers witnessing the birth of their children, ensure the elderly died all alone and justify a mass vaccination which is now causing unprecedented levels of injury and death. So nothing that significant then.
If it turns out that contagion is not actually a thing, and that this has been known for a century and that Big Pharma has swept it under the rug all these years to perpetuate their hugely profitable vaccine business model, and that the BBC smartphone experiment was blatant science fraud and proof that the pseudo pandemic of 2020 was a preplanned event.... it's no big deal, right?
Thanks for that. Re measles this is another either toxic poisoning or perhaps a deficiency of something, like pellagra was found to be lack of vitamin B3.
In my case I had what was called German Measles (rubella) in 1975. I was very ill for 2 weeks (104 degrees F at peak). However I had had a BCG vaccine that spring and I now believe this was the cause so I was in essence poisoned.
The problem of disease is that the medical profession consider themselves the arbiter of it, judging the symptoms accordingly. They also gain by this financially and otherwise which makes them potentially biased.
However when one considers how similar symptoms can be and the fact that misdiagnosis frequently occurs one must consider the approach is misleading at best. I have done a fuller comment which may be of interest in Elizabeth's article.
Before Covid, every year I would get the same very sore throat that eventuated into bronchitis for which I always needed antibiotics. My husband never had any such symptoms or signs of a cold. When Covid came, I became aware of the value of Vitamin D which I have taken every day since and have not had anything of a cold in four years. I do feel I came close to something a few times but nothing eventuated. And those few times were when I was having more stress than usual. I have never had the flu 💉nor the Covid jab. At those few times I gargled with salt and iodine in warm water as the throat always started with a tickle.
I no longer believe in catching respiratory viruses. I believe vitamin D plays a huge part in our health and barely anyone in modern societies can possibly get enough sunlight to support our system. I’m also certain that being run down in anyway opens us up to illness of any sort. Colds should just be a clue we need rest and relaxation. But that’s just my theory and recipe for myself.
Covid has had the great benefit of exposing the real virus of fear and the manner by which have been manipulated and accepted so much as being a fact when in fact we should simple be asking questions and living with not knowing. Plus all the wonderful people we have been exposed to who have helped us see the lies we been living under.
Judith, re your suggestion “I’m also certain that being run down in anyway opens us up to illness of any sort. Colds should just be a clue we need rest and relaxation.” That sounds like a sensible thought for most people. This is what it usually takes, some rest and TLC, and then it’s gone.
Well done, excellent comment if I may say. Each person is an individual ultimately, but typically men will work outside more and likely get more vit D from sun. It is not the only thing we need but far more beneficially than we are told as this helps big pharma peddle poisonous drugs.
In a way we can consider ourselves with a level of health, say at 100. We need to keep topping it up as activity, toxins and fear will knock it down. If we get too low we get dis-eased.
It was said feed a cold and starve a fever. A cold suggests we need something we lack, a fever indicates we need to detox with plenty of clean untainted water and vit C.
And COVID 19 came for exactly this reason to wake up the world to the scam.
I remember when I was a student nurse in my 20s, many years age, I developed a flu like illness and returned home to be nursed by my mother and not one person caught my 'flu' in a house filled with people. It is strange and I wonder now if we have been sold a bill of goods by our supposed scientists who in the past guessed at a theory thought it sounded good and decided to run with it. Virology seems to be founded on supposition and not a lot of actual facts, the scientists tell us how they think viruses work and are so full of hubris they believe 100% in their own legends because in the world of virology they can never be wrong! The next generation of scientists are told the same legends, believe it and just carry on the myth and now here we are in a world being ruined by the myths and legends of these cretins unchecked and unchallenged.
I lean toward the idea that virology is a fraud that has been built on the back of the legitimate science of bacteriology. They've made assumptions which may not be correct.
"Thus, we cannot reject the assumption that the effect of the filtered lymph is not due to toxicity, but rather to the ability of the agent to replicate."
E Loeffler 1898
Principles of Virology 4th edition, Flint, Skalka et al, 2015
Yes! No original thought they plagiarise from legitimate science stir in a few pieces of guesswork then mix well and we have the viral world which unfortunately has now impacted all of us and not in a good way. The one talent I have observed from the viral and vaccine world is that they are very good at storytelling.
Nov 6, 2023·edited Nov 6, 2023Liked by Elizabeth Hart
I'm not sure if Mike is referring to the attempts in 1918 and 1919 to pass on viruses from horses to horses or from man to man, but yes they did try and they also completely failed.
As you probably know Elizabeth, I no longer believe in viruses at all. There are probably multiple other explanations for what is going on in regards to flus and colds. But allopathic health doesn't address any. Vitamin D probably helps a lot in the Northern winter though just as it does here in the Southern winter. As we're not getting enough sun at those latitudes (let's say New Hampshire and Otago).
Richard, the ‘viruses’ situation has to be examined closely now because so many vaccine products are based on this premise, products which are being given repeatedly, e.g. ‘Covid’ and flu vaccines.
There’s a ‘womb to tomb’ vaccination schedule, an ever-increasing list of lucrative vaccine products, against diseases which aren’t a serious problem for most people. Children in particular are being set up for a lifetime of vaccination, we have no idea of the long-term cumulative effects of this highly questionable vaccine load.
Taxpayer-funded vaccination policy is mired in conflicts of interest, with people associated with the vaccine industry influencing policy. The Covid debacle has brought this to a head, the spotlight must be shone on vaccination policy and practice.
I really don't know. As a child I was home sick with flu, much more often than my sisters, and no one else at home got sick when I did. I was very fearful in school, so that might have helped bring it about, as an excuse to stay home with my mother!
That's interesting what you say Joanie, about being very fearful in school, and this might have impacted on your health.
Makes you wonder what the last four years of 'public health' terrorism has done to people?
The response to 'Covid' has been the very antithesis of health... With so-called 'health officers' misleading people about the risk of disease; fostering antagonism against those who refused the jabs; preventing families and friends associating; preventing families from looking after sick and dying family members; destroying society and the economy with 'social distancing' interventions; masking/muzzling; coercive/mandated vaccination; withholding treatment for sick people; impeding and preventing treatment of other ailments...
That's for sure. It has been one long atrocity and worse to fear, if the masses comply as they did. But I think they won't. Too many have had their eyes opened to the truth of what their governments have done to them.
In a way we can consider ourselves with a level of health, say at 100. We need to keep topping it up as activity, toxins and fear will knock it down. If we get too low we get dis-eased.
I would say normal activity takes it away 1 at a time but fear uses a lot of 'health capital' so takes say 10 at a time, so one rapidly reaches 0 and dis-ease compared to the unfearful.
My husband went to the hospital for a routine test, came home, took a nap and when he got up was sick. The next day he tested positive for Covid. He took a prescribed miracle drug I purchased two years ago and was 100% in 5 days. I never got sick. I take D, Quercetin, Zinc and C. He wasn’t taking it consistently. This is the 2nd time this has happened. 1st time was in 2020. We were just talking about this same thing. ps neither of us has taken the jab.
He was very sick. It was Ivermectin and yes, he needed it. Thats why I had it was in my medicine cabinet…so we wouldn’t have to suffer through it if either one of us needed it. Why would I make him wait?
I wasn't making a criticism mfrass, but just wondering about all and sundry taking ivermectin, e.g. people not at serious risk of disease, children etc.
I've particularly focussed on the vaccine products during Covid, not the treatments, but still aware of this idea of 'early treatment', and questioning if this applies to everyone. Many people might just be ill for a few days and recover naturally.
A few years ago I started questioning the push for interventions at the first sign of illness, e.g. see my BMJ response published in 2018: Are 'treatments' for common cold in adults and children doing more harm than good? https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k3786/rr-1
It bothers me that ivermectin is seen as a miracle drug when in reality it should not normally be necessary. It is at least not neuro-toxic like most big pharma drugs.
In any event there are other solutions such as vit C, a great anti-oxidant and one can get that from good fruits and veg.
You (and Dr. Yeadon) are asking the right question -- and one that relates to something I said to my daughter this weekend. In summary, "Scientists and doctors don't actually know as much as they or we think they do about why people get sick with (what we call) colds and flu. Some scientists think that we don't 'catch' things from each other, but that there are different things around us - or even in us - all the time. What changes is us. When the weather changes, when we're not eating right or sleeping well or getting enough sunlight or exercise or fresh air...all of those things can affect our bodies' 'army'."
I also gave her the example of yellow fever and people not knowing for hundreds of years about mosquitos carrying it. (Which I assume is true/verified now, but after what I've been learning lately, who knows?).
"What is the evidence supporting transmission of respiratory ailments from person to person?" is a FAR better question for getting at the truth than, "Do viruses exist?"
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But I recently went to a family party for a 60th birthday. There was many of us there, from all different parts of the country who fell ill with covid. I don’t drink alcohol and was only there 3/5 hours but I still got it. Can somebody explain to me how this happened? Dozens of people fell ill with the virus and it transpired there was a couple of people who attended who were at the tail end of covid but still positive.
I want to get on bored with the ‘there’s no such thing as virus’ etc but I really need an explanation how at the start of September I went there for and healthy and like dozens and dozens of others at that party we all came down with the same illness.
You say “Dozens of people fell ill with the virus and it transpired there was a couple of people who attended who were at the tail end of covid but still positive…dozens and dozens of others at that party we all came down with the same illness”.
Wow, that seems to be a lot of people struck down at one event…
Were all these dozens and dozens of affected people at the 60th birthday party vaccinated?
Thanks for the reply! It was a 60th so it was a very busy event! With regards to the ‘vaccine’ I think the over 50’s definitely would have had them, in the thick of the ‘pandemic’ I think their generation were much more easily swayed. But I know me and my cousins did not get the jab because we obviously new it was bad flu symptoms at worse and it would be ok after a few days. So I guess there was a dived, I’d say about 12 over 50’s got covid and about 12 under 50’s. I was really bad, I am fit and healthy, take vit D, eat organic, so I was quite surprised it got me so bad. Anyway it went have yer a week, and maybe I was a bit run down but nothing major.
What shocked me was just how many people fell ill after the party, I was having several phone calls to family and just hearing how many of us had this was quite shocking! Anyway, I’m not trying to be too contrarian…. I am vaccine hesitant, pretty much totally anti vaccine, I don’t and didn’t follow the party line with regards to covid and I do believe the W.H.O et al, are a dangerous organisation. But I am struggle to cognate this ‘virus’ don’t exist’ thing because I have seen them spread like in the example I have. I would love to know what it could be if I’m tact it wasn’t an air bourne virus.
Then this week I’ve had a common cold, nothing crazy just a little cold, but so has my wife and 2 young children. What could that be?
I know what you mean by “I am struggle to cognate this ‘virus’ don’t exist’ thing…”
It’s a highly controversial subject, and I’ve tended to give it a wide berth myself, but it has to be investigated objectively.
Viruses being associated with diseases is being used to implement vaccination programs across mass populations, across many people who may never have been at serious risk of disease.
Human papillomavirus is another example, this has been associated with a range of cancers, and vaccination programs implemented around the world. But is this justifiable? I’ll bring up HPV vaccination on another post soon.
I so often hear of and witness large gatherings which result in people falling ill with cold /flu like symptoms. Usually alcohol is involved, but also the food might play a part. All prepared in the same kitchen. Ingredients people wouldn't use at home. Just a thought. I also think the food consumed at children's birthday parties is usually dreadful and its no wonder they often have rashes/colds afterwards. A typical detox reaction.
I agree, but I didn’t eat from the buffet or drank alcohol that night. I travelled couple of hours distance to attend so I already ate at home before arriving
If a bunch of people at a party all become ill within a few days of a party, my first thoughts are food borne illness or bacteria related to bathroom use.
Yep that’s not a bad first thought. But these weren’t food poisoning symptoms, these were flu symptoms. If it wasn’t for covid I would have said it was a bad flu. It was everything Covid is described as. Some people didn’t eat any of the food, some people did. The toilet thing I just don’t buy as there were male and female toilets - it just doesn’t fit with the symptoms which were positive on a covid test,
I know we all want to look for something else and so do I but pursuit of honesty and the truth means I have to say this was covid/bad flu that we all had. The symptoms were in line with virus etc.
I'm not sure what male and female toilets has to do with it.
I'm also saying you didn't have a respiratory illness; indeed respiratory symptoms can be borne of bacteria and other causes. Not all food or water borne illness are "poisoning."
I'm saying
1) It's not proof that the illness is borne from human to human transmission involving a viral agent.
2) It's not proof that SARS-CoV-2 is remarkable or uniquely severe agent.
The stew we call "influenza like illness" (ILI) is simply that.
Pneumonia can be serious business, but the pathogen most frequently identified co-incidental to pneumonia in one pretty solid study was rhinovirus. Most cases never identify a particular pathogen. Some detect more than one. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26172429/
May I ask why you got a COVID test and how the result changed or influenced how you or a doctor treated the illness?
Ok the reason I asked about the toilets is because the odds of what I’m assuming you are getting at, bacteria being present in both male and female is a bit low, surely? What makes these toilets any different any any other toilets on any other day? Why toilets? If there then you could of equally
just said ‘at the bar’ or ‘on the drinks glasses’ etc.
I just found that a little bit of a desperate scenario when you clearly have some kind of cognitive bias with regards to this.
I’m just seeking the truth. I don’t care if it suits my narrative or not There’s every chance this virus was made in a lab, the Wuhan lab to be precise. That’s the ground zero for all of this. Gain of function research was happening there and I’m inclined to believe the virus came from there.
The amount of people nationwide with the same symptoms at that time also confirmed there was definitely a wave of something going through people. It just felt like flu and covid is basically that.
I took the test cos my mrs has lots spare. She is a nurse (unvaxxed nurse) and I wanted to give my clients the benefit of choosing not to come into contact with me as I was pretty run down and clearly caught the virus that was doing the rounds at that time. I wanted to see if it was covid as it felt like covid when I had it before and…. It was covid. That’s why I took a test.
It transpired that my aunty and uncle attended when they wasn’t very well and everybody had the same symptoms they did (covid symptoms)
So far I’ve not been given a good enough reasons that viruses don’t exist.
Danny, you say "I’m just seeking the truth. I don’t care if it suits my narrative or not There’s every chance this virus was made in a lab, the Wuhan lab to be precise. That’s the ground zero for all of this. Gain of function research was happening there and I’m inclined to believe the virus came from there."
Yes, 'the lab theory', and gain of function research. I followed this in 2011/2012, when it emerged that Anthony Fauci's NIAID was funding research into making H5N1/bird flu more transmissible. This is very interesting to think about now...
It may be that sick people can poison other people depending on various factors.
In my opinion, the idea of viruses that pass from person to person, infect cells, hijack the machinery of the cell to replicate, is a fraud.
If someone ingests spoiled food, or is in an environment with a heavy toxic load (coming soon everywhere thanks to the cellular/smart infrastructure being currently deployed) people will react in various ways.
How was your nurse wife able to work unvaxxed? How did she manage to get around the mandates? I'm aware of far too many good nurses who had to leave the profession.
So my wife was able to avoid it by refusing right until the deadline and the government then did a U-turn. This was in the UK. I don’t think she’d of been as fortunate in the USA.
Over here they are constantly saying that hospitals are understaffed etc. so it was just obvious, if 50% refused then what would they do? There would be no hospitals. They said it was something like 30% that refused but it’s still an obviously significant number. It was an obvious calling of bluffs and we had Doctors coming out on national TV refusing to take it, which empowered many like my wife!
The government did a U-turn on the day the nurses and doctors were meant to lose their jobs. Ha! Maybe the day before deadline day but very very close.
So it was a communal hall. Therefore remember the committee that runs it or whatever may be cleaning mad with toxic chemicals. These could be on all sorts of surfaces and may become aerosols in the atmosphere.
There could even be Electro Magnetic Frequencies (EMF) as these might cause similar symptoms.
My wife and I have been listening to Agatha Christie's Hercules Poirot a three act tragedy on the radio so this peeks my interest!
The problem lies in that each person is a individual with and individual state of health so each person has to be considered on their own merits.
When did they fall ill, how ill were they, what did they eat and drink, what was in the atmosphere, how are drinking vessels etc. cleaned, where was the party etc. etc.
It is so complex one would have to make a list and interview everybody. There might be some common factors, but there can be many overlapping issues.
What we need is the opportunity to have a conversation and share ideas. This is something that has been sorely lacking for years, particularly on the subject of vaccination.
I have long been aware that "Darwinian Evolution is Political." The science provides endless examples of evolution within Kinds - dog kind, horse kind, bird kind, cat kind, etc, etc - but nothing showing evolution from one kind to another. The former involves reshuffling or loss of genetic information, the latter assumes creation of new genetic information; a totally different, purely imaginary, ball game. (And having taught High School science I know that Darwinism is "proved" to students by conflating the two.)
So I don't have a fundamental problem with viruses being imaginary. I get upset with the anti-germ theory brigade who seem to want to discredit bacterial infection as well. Are these folk Controlled Opposition, put in place to discredit the whole movement?
Is it true that no virus has ever passed Koch's Postulates? I've googled this in the past, and never came up with a clear answer.
I'm extremely wary of the EMF theories. Firstly, all the debates I have had have been with people who are emotional and full of "scientific" BS. Secondly, it would be so easy to set up experiments to prove harm, and also to relate that to specific frequencies and transmitted power, if the harm was real. I have not seen this.
Finally, I find the lack of concern about mercury and other obvious poisons highly suspect. Here in UK we are still jamming mercury into people's teeth for all we are worth. It's a powerful, ongoing scam, just like vaccines
Darwin and the evolutionary theory that spawned from his ideas is a primary cause of the disaster of modern medicine, let alone 2 world wars, and this one I call world war 3, albeit a political, medical economic war.
Mutating dangerous viruses are a nonsense and have justified poisonous vaccines to big pharma who profit from the lies.
As regards bacterial infection the issue is that bacteria have a role to play in various locations, including our gut. If they get into the wrong place and that place is weakened for some reason then the bacteria, being opportunists, will take advantage. The same is true of fungi for example.
So the working of bacteria needs to be reviewed as it is the condition of the location where the bacteria lies that will decide on whether the organism is dis-eased by them.
In my opinion, the EMF dangers are real. Just like the science is biased around the subject of vaccines (making them seem safe & effective), so is the science around radiation (instead of Pharma/Military it is the Telco/Military industries, a different wing of the same bird).
For starters take a look at the Zory Glaser archive:
I clicked the link and got a write up of what a great scientist Glaser was. Just like school textbooks promote evolution by saying what a brilliant man Darwin was.
Science works through repeatable experiments. As I've already said, setting up experiments that prove or disprove harm from emf would be very easy. I've yet to see anything, including on that site.
I need to see, eg, 20 mice exposed to xx gHz at xx power for xx weeks compared to 20 controls. Nobody has anything.
Click on the tabs “documents by title” or “documents by author” or “documents by date” or “annotated papers” & you will find a listing of thousands of research documents.
“It has become clear, however, that interactions with the mammalian central nervous system can be reliably produced by oscillating electric and electromagnetic fields without significant heatirig
of tissues. Actual measurements in both intact brains and isolated cerebral tissue have shown
that these fields are fully effective, with temperature changes of less than 0.1' C, and that brain
temperature alterations that might be attributable to weak low-frequency electric fields
that produce a variety of behavioral and physiologic responses 2 - 4 are far below the natural perturbalions in brain temperature associated with eating, drinking, or environmentaltemperature
shifts”
Has the experiment you suggest been done? Probably, somewhere & sometime, but I’m not going to spends many hours tracking it down. It’s up to all of us to do our own research. If I come across it & remember I’ll come back to post it for you. However, your focusing on just one study that may or may not be repeatable to settle the issue is naive in the extreme.
You might want to ask the regulators, industry associations & scientific authorities why that study hasn’t been done (to your knowledge) & see what they say.
Personally, I have no doubt, it isn’t in their interests to conduct such studies, unless they can control them & bias the outcome so that no harm is apparent.
Many thanks for asking this question. I once thought diseases including colds and 'flus were transmissible. In 2020 I saw a comment, I think on a YouTube video that diseases were not transmissible. I thought this strange but did not dismiss the thought.
During this time I was undergoing immuno-therapy for an alleged cancer in my parotid gland believed to be in part the cause of my facial palsy. As I eventually worked out, no thanks to the NHS, it was sodium nitrite (E250) poisoning.
In any event I was going to hospital in the supposed peak of the COVID 'pandemic'. The whole thing seemed over rated and as time went on it became more and more bizarre.
We have been told that 'the virus' mutates rapidly yet it was becoming quite ridiculous with all the supposed variants.
This was all enough to make me seriously question the idea of transmission, so many things did not add up. Why do some people fall ill and others not?
I have been a building surveyor working in the UK for around 40 years before retiring hurt as it were due to my health. However, I met a building contractor owner who like me had been to boarding school. He went to Ardingly College, Sussex, a public school (which confusingly means a private senior school).
He was there with his brother in the 'flu outbreak of, I recall, 1957/58. Whilst most of the school went down sick, he and his brother did not. Many boys (it was all boys) were sent home and others looked after in the sanitorium.
He told me he and his brother looked after the other boys as there were so many. There would normally be very limited matron/nursing staff, so all hands on deck would be required.
Anyway, he told me this before 2020 and in conjunction with my understanding of people getting the 'flu jabs and still getting the 'flu, I put 2 and 2 together.
My wife had a 'flu shot in 1989 at a prep school in Sussex. She was ill for 3 days so did not have another again. She told me the school had a severe 'flu outbreak with 80 of the boys (all boarding) being sent home. Given what I understand about vaccines and how they are merely toxic, the logical explanation is that the children generally had 'flu shots and naturally fell ill.
I myself went to Bradfield College near Reading, Berkshire and had a BCG vaccine in 1975. I was very ill that late spring with what was called German Measles (Rubella). I was ill for 2 weeks and did not recover my full strength until the end of the summer.
So all this shows that 'catching' something off someone as regards a disease is not true. We might pass on bacteria, fungal spores, parasites or poisons but what matters is what state of health we are in.
All the above things only affect us if we are weak and our systems our degraded or out of sorts. That is they exploit the situation and we fall ill until we redress the balance.
As regards viruses these are not what they seem and are if anything the exosome which can be considered as garbage disposal, taking waste for disposal. We have been gaslighted as the saying goes into believing viruses are highly dangerous and can 'spread' but this is not the case.
Whilst we do not wish to retain waste in our bodies, it is not contagious.
Mainstream medicine and big pharma, the medical industrial complex rely on the idea of contagion to scare people into taking its poisonous products. Its business model is make people sick and rake in the cash. If anybody is interested they can find all my relevant links in here, but I will always try and answer questions if required.
Antoine Bechamp’s Terrain Theory states that the body’s internal balance and is disruptions causes inflammation. Germs and diseases is a result not the cause. This resonates with the Chi blood circulation which affects ph levels, blood flow and circadian rhythm which modern western med calls anti science or quackery to promote their brand on wellness which pushes pills, shots and surgeries.
My whole town was sick with Covid in December 2019, everyone was sick, the medical center was covered up. The Heath Dept was covered up. This was before we knew about Covid. Everyone thought it was type A flu because no one was vaccinated against it.
What I find interesting is everyone just took it in stride. Health Dept didn’t test and send samples to the CDC, no, they just told us we all probably had type A flu and No testing was needed.
So to me, if the whole town is sick with the flu, than the virus was contagious. This is just plain ole fashion commonsense.
Covid must of run through our town by the end of January as I never saw everyone sick like I witnessed in December/January of 2019/2020
Te Reagan, how do you know your "whole town was sick with Covid in December 2019"?
That it was 'Covid'?
You say: "What I find interesting is everyone just took it in stride. Health Dept didn’t test and send samples to the CDC, no, they just told us we all probably had type A flu and No testing was needed."
There's a key point - you say the Health Dept wasn't testing, and "everyone just took it in stride".
That's what we did before the testing racket was implemented wholesale, and they started giving names to various respiratory ailments and ratcheting up the fear.
For most of us, all our lives we've had these bugs, whatever they are, mildly or sometimes more seriously, and we eventually get over them. But now these ailments are being used to cause chaos and fear in society, deliberately manufacturing a catastrophe to create massive vaccine markets and control of the population.
It's gone completely mad...and the medical and scientific establishment has gone along with it all, so few are prepared to call this out.
For all we know, these "bugs" are in and around us all the time. With weather and other changes to the body/terrain, we are susceptible to those things triggering illness/symptoms.
That makes a lot more sense to me than the notion that pathogens are circulating per se at different levels of prevalence throughout the year
We definitely need an open and transparent discussion on this subject. Trouble is, it's so polarised... And who are 'the experts'? Seems to me there is much uncertainty, and the pharmaceutical industry has hijacked the agenda.
Whole town sick? If not exaggerated sounds like your water or air was contaminated. I live in NYC and I expected to know or meet more sick people with covid. Before the vaccine rollout, I barely knew anyone sick with covid. After the covid vaccine mandate started in early 2021, guess what? More people I knew caught covid.
Track the rollout of 5G infrastructure in your town. Look at news clipping from around that time & leading up to it. Look at telco providers press releases on their sites about coverage. Look around your town for cell sites. There may or may not be a temporal correlation with the switch on of fifth generation wireless technology. Exposure to radiation can cause all sorts of symptoms including respiratory distress.
Glad more people are asking these sorts of questions. Something worth considering:
https://www.online-latin-dictionary.com/latin-english-dictionary.php?parola=virus
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=virus
Could we mostly be just reacting to poisons when we are ill? I suppose one exception could be the phenomenon known as measles. What is it really?
I suspect Yeadon was referring to Arthur Firstenberg's The Invisible Rainbow & the experiments conducted by Rosenau regarding transmission & contagiousness of flu back in the early 1900s.
Experiments To Determine Mode of Spread of Influenza 1919 Milton Rosenau. US Navy.
"As the preliminary trials proved negative, we became bolder, and selecting nineteen of our volunteers, gave each one of them a very large quantity of a mixture of thirteen different strains of the Pfeiffer bacillus, some of them obtained recently from the lungs at necropsy; others were subcultures of varying age, and each of the thirteen had, of course, a different history. Suspensions of these organisms were sprayed with an atomizer into the nose and into the eyes, and back into the throat, while the volunteers were breathing in. We used some billions of these organisms, according to our estimated counts, on each one of the volunteers, but none of them took sick. Then we proceeded to transfer the virus obtained from cases of the disease ; that is, we collected the material and mucous secretions of the mouth and nose and throat and bronchi from cases of the disease and transferred this to our volunteers. We always obtained this material in the same way : The patient with fever, in bed, has a large, shallow, tray like arrangement before him or her, and we washed out one nostril with some sterile salt solution, using perhaps 5 ce., which is allowed to run into this tray ; and that nostril is blown vigorously into the tray. This is repeated with the other nostril. The patient then gargles with some of the solution. Next we obtain some bronchial mucus through coughing, and then we swab the mucous surface of each nares and also the mucous membrane of the throat. We place these swabs with the material in a bottle with glass beads, and add all the material obtained in the tray. This is the stuff we transfer to our volunteers. In this particular experiment, in which we used ten volunteers, each of them received a comparatively small quantity of this, about 1 c.c. sprayed into each nostril and into the throat, while inspiring, and on the eye. None of these took sick. Some of the same material was filtered and instilled into other volunteers but produced no results."
From their conclusion:
"I think we must be very careful not to draw any positive conclusions from negative results of this kind. Many factors must be considered. Our volunteers may not have been susceptible. They may have been immune. They had been exposed as all the rest of the people had been exposed to the disease, although they gave no clinical history of an attack. Dr. McCoy, who with Dr. Richey, did a similar series of experiments on Goat Island, San Francisco, used volunteers who, so far as known, had not been exposed to the outbreak at all, also had negative results, that is, they were unable to reproduce the disease. Perhaps there are factors, or a factor, in the transmission of influenza that we do not know. As a matter of fact, we entered the outbreak with a notion that we knew the cause of the disease, and were quite sure we knew how it was transmitted from person to person. Perhaps, if we have learned anything, it is that we are not quite sure what we know about the disease."
https://archive.org/details/rosenau-milton-j-1919-experiments-to-determine-mode-of-spread-of-influenza-journ
It is telling that these experiments were conducted on Navy personnel. Over the years there has been much experimentation in the military, as I'm sure you're aware. A lot of injections, a lot of poisoning, one might say.
edit - i should also add: Firstenberg's book traces the historical use of electricity from around the industrial revolution onwards. The military were early adopters of radio communications technology. Looking back on it now, it seems probable there were injuries & illnesses attributable to the effects of this technology, in addition to experiments with injections, but the focus was on germ theory.
iya, 'Experiments To Determine Mode of Spread of Influenza 1919 Milton Rosenau. US Navy' is interesting reading!
As they conclude: "Perhaps, if we have learned anything, it is that we are not quite sure what we know about the disease." Doesn't seem like much has changed since then...
Thanks for the info iya.
Re measles, there’s an interesting article on that topic I’ll raise on another post soon.
Looking forward to that post. I have some things to add when you do.
I suspect you and I have similar questions/observations about measles.
Virologist Dr. Stephen Lanka put up a reward for anyone who could prove the measles viruses existed. One person attempted to claim the prize, the case ended up in the German Supreme Court, which considered scientific evidence (and lack of) that the measles virus does not exist.
Other doctors, such as Tom Cowan and Sam & Mark Bailey explain the measles as a natural process that occurs when a child develops into an adult.
Imagine the loss of baby teeth, or physical changes during puberty, or a snake shedding it's skin being attributed to a virus.
My mother recalls me having measles around 18 months of age (this would have been in 1961 in London, and is unlikely to be laboratory verified…) She was a young mother, only 19 years old and I was her first child. She was shocked to see her baby covered in spots and called the doctor to the house. My mother recalls the doctor said I had measles, but told her not to worry, they would just run their course (a rather more benign message than we receive nowadays…) My mother said the spots lasted about ten days and I did not seem to be too adversely affected. She said “it did not put you off your food in any way” and “you used to sleep right through the night from 10.00 pm to 6.00 am.”
From a 1962 paper: “This self-limiting infection of short duration, moderate severity, and low fatality has maintained a remarkably stable biological balance over the centuries.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1522578/pdf/amjphnation00499-0004.pdf
How things have changed.
I have also read that measles is dangerous to malnourished children, however there are papers that push back against this. It seems the Science is determined to have counter arguments to everything in an attempt to maintain its credibility.
Ha! You've pipped me to the post iya... That's the paper I plan to bring up in another substack post. I'll raise it on another dedicated measles thread soon.
Not sure about science so much as scientists, doctors and big pharma who benefit from keeping the lies alive.
You must be very similar in age to me! What bother me now about diseases like this is the fact that vaccines for various things were around then. They may have caused what was identified as measles.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/61fab1bae90e0768a4477f4f/UKHSA-vaccine-timeline.pdf
Yes, I'm aware of Lanka, Cowan & The Baileys. I've followed Cowan for years, since he published his Vaccines, Autoimmunity & The Changing Nature of Childhood Illness book. Yes, measles as a childhood maturation process is how they describe it. They may be correct. However, the clearly contagious nature of the illness (measles & chickenpox parties) means there is more going on. Cowan has made reference to some type of "resonance" being responsible for transmission.
As you say iya, there does appear to be more going on...
And there's a lot going on with vaccine products, an alarming number now being given to children, and with everyone in the frame for the 'womb to tomb' vaccination schedule. Against diseases which aren't a serious threat to most people. This really has to be investigated now, this idea of giving mass populations vaccines to purportedly prevent a disease, particularly with vaccination mandates being imposed, e.g. as happened with Covid in Australia.
Here's the link to the Australian National Immunisation Program: https://www.health.gov.au/topics/immunisation/when-to-get-vaccinated/national-immunisation-program-schedule
Now would be the time to put both vaccination & virology on trial. Make the government prove that vaccination is causing more good than harm. There is a plethora of scientific material that shows vaccination in a very bad light.
However, as was recently shown by the Babies case, the government's strategy was to challenge the standing of the plaintiffs. They will try every avenue possible to prevent any case from being heard on its merits.
You're all wrong!
Contagion MUST be real because in 2017 the BBC, Cambridge University and LSHTM conducted an experiment involving 30,000 volunteers. They infected them with a virus and then watched as they spread the disease all over the UK. The data collected from this experiment became (in their own words) "the new gold standard" for modelling contagious diseases, and it was officially acknowledged that this model was used two years later to dictate government policies (ie lockdown) at the start of 2020.
This is all 100% true. I mean it's basically true. More or less.
OK... so what they actually did is have the 30,000 volunteers download an app on their phone and then they tracked the phones for a few months and made a model out of that.
Still... smartphones... people .... what's the difference when it comes to simulating how disease works?!
I mean, it's no big deal anyway, because the model was only used to lock down the country, destroy small businesses, prevent fathers witnessing the birth of their children, ensure the elderly died all alone and justify a mass vaccination which is now causing unprecedented levels of injury and death. So nothing that significant then.
If it turns out that contagion is not actually a thing, and that this has been known for a century and that Big Pharma has swept it under the rug all these years to perpetuate their hugely profitable vaccine business model, and that the BBC smartphone experiment was blatant science fraud and proof that the pseudo pandemic of 2020 was a preplanned event.... it's no big deal, right?
Or is it the biggest crime in recorded history?
What a time to be alive...
https://odysee.com/@CoronaStudies:3/coronastudiestrailer1:5
The biggest crime in recorded history. As you say what a time to be alive.
https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/2022/11/14/vaccination-industry-in-a-nutshell/
Thanks for that. Re measles this is another either toxic poisoning or perhaps a deficiency of something, like pellagra was found to be lack of vitamin B3.
In my case I had what was called German Measles (rubella) in 1975. I was very ill for 2 weeks (104 degrees F at peak). However I had had a BCG vaccine that spring and I now believe this was the cause so I was in essence poisoned.
The problem of disease is that the medical profession consider themselves the arbiter of it, judging the symptoms accordingly. They also gain by this financially and otherwise which makes them potentially biased.
However when one considers how similar symptoms can be and the fact that misdiagnosis frequently occurs one must consider the approach is misleading at best. I have done a fuller comment which may be of interest in Elizabeth's article.
Before Covid, every year I would get the same very sore throat that eventuated into bronchitis for which I always needed antibiotics. My husband never had any such symptoms or signs of a cold. When Covid came, I became aware of the value of Vitamin D which I have taken every day since and have not had anything of a cold in four years. I do feel I came close to something a few times but nothing eventuated. And those few times were when I was having more stress than usual. I have never had the flu 💉nor the Covid jab. At those few times I gargled with salt and iodine in warm water as the throat always started with a tickle.
I no longer believe in catching respiratory viruses. I believe vitamin D plays a huge part in our health and barely anyone in modern societies can possibly get enough sunlight to support our system. I’m also certain that being run down in anyway opens us up to illness of any sort. Colds should just be a clue we need rest and relaxation. But that’s just my theory and recipe for myself.
Covid has had the great benefit of exposing the real virus of fear and the manner by which have been manipulated and accepted so much as being a fact when in fact we should simple be asking questions and living with not knowing. Plus all the wonderful people we have been exposed to who have helped us see the lies we been living under.
Thanks Elizabeth.
Judith, re your suggestion “I’m also certain that being run down in anyway opens us up to illness of any sort. Colds should just be a clue we need rest and relaxation.” That sounds like a sensible thought for most people. This is what it usually takes, some rest and TLC, and then it’s gone.
Well done, excellent comment if I may say. Each person is an individual ultimately, but typically men will work outside more and likely get more vit D from sun. It is not the only thing we need but far more beneficially than we are told as this helps big pharma peddle poisonous drugs.
In a way we can consider ourselves with a level of health, say at 100. We need to keep topping it up as activity, toxins and fear will knock it down. If we get too low we get dis-eased.
It was said feed a cold and starve a fever. A cold suggests we need something we lack, a fever indicates we need to detox with plenty of clean untainted water and vit C.
And COVID 19 came for exactly this reason to wake up the world to the scam.
https://baldmichael.substack.com/p/covid-19-what-does-the-acronym-stand
I remember when I was a student nurse in my 20s, many years age, I developed a flu like illness and returned home to be nursed by my mother and not one person caught my 'flu' in a house filled with people. It is strange and I wonder now if we have been sold a bill of goods by our supposed scientists who in the past guessed at a theory thought it sounded good and decided to run with it. Virology seems to be founded on supposition and not a lot of actual facts, the scientists tell us how they think viruses work and are so full of hubris they believe 100% in their own legends because in the world of virology they can never be wrong! The next generation of scientists are told the same legends, believe it and just carry on the myth and now here we are in a world being ruined by the myths and legends of these cretins unchecked and unchallenged.
I lean toward the idea that virology is a fraud that has been built on the back of the legitimate science of bacteriology. They've made assumptions which may not be correct.
"Thus, we cannot reject the assumption that the effect of the filtered lymph is not due to toxicity, but rather to the ability of the agent to replicate."
E Loeffler 1898
Principles of Virology 4th edition, Flint, Skalka et al, 2015
There do seem to be a lot of assumptions when it suits them in ‘The Science ™’.
Yes! No original thought they plagiarise from legitimate science stir in a few pieces of guesswork then mix well and we have the viral world which unfortunately has now impacted all of us and not in a good way. The one talent I have observed from the viral and vaccine world is that they are very good at storytelling.
I tried my hand at a counter story. The emperor's new cows.
https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/the-emperors-new-cows/?frame-nonce=7a532bdc68
Virology is a fraud. Bacteriology is better but still needs serious review.
Spot on. If they should ever think that they were completely wrong their whole world comes crashing down and the kudos and income that goes with it.
In any event it is crashing down whether they like it or not, the world is waking up!
I'm not sure if Mike is referring to the attempts in 1918 and 1919 to pass on viruses from horses to horses or from man to man, but yes they did try and they also completely failed.
As you probably know Elizabeth, I no longer believe in viruses at all. There are probably multiple other explanations for what is going on in regards to flus and colds. But allopathic health doesn't address any. Vitamin D probably helps a lot in the Northern winter though just as it does here in the Southern winter. As we're not getting enough sun at those latitudes (let's say New Hampshire and Otago).
Richard, the ‘viruses’ situation has to be examined closely now because so many vaccine products are based on this premise, products which are being given repeatedly, e.g. ‘Covid’ and flu vaccines.
There’s a ‘womb to tomb’ vaccination schedule, an ever-increasing list of lucrative vaccine products, against diseases which aren’t a serious problem for most people. Children in particular are being set up for a lifetime of vaccination, we have no idea of the long-term cumulative effects of this highly questionable vaccine load.
Taxpayer-funded vaccination policy is mired in conflicts of interest, with people associated with the vaccine industry influencing policy. The Covid debacle has brought this to a head, the spotlight must be shone on vaccination policy and practice.
I need to get some time to write a history of it.
I really don't know. As a child I was home sick with flu, much more often than my sisters, and no one else at home got sick when I did. I was very fearful in school, so that might have helped bring it about, as an excuse to stay home with my mother!
That's interesting what you say Joanie, about being very fearful in school, and this might have impacted on your health.
Makes you wonder what the last four years of 'public health' terrorism has done to people?
The response to 'Covid' has been the very antithesis of health... With so-called 'health officers' misleading people about the risk of disease; fostering antagonism against those who refused the jabs; preventing families and friends associating; preventing families from looking after sick and dying family members; destroying society and the economy with 'social distancing' interventions; masking/muzzling; coercive/mandated vaccination; withholding treatment for sick people; impeding and preventing treatment of other ailments...
You could not make up how bad this has been!
That's for sure. It has been one long atrocity and worse to fear, if the masses comply as they did. But I think they won't. Too many have had their eyes opened to the truth of what their governments have done to them.
Fear is dreadful, the key, so I say no fear.
https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/2021/09/26/fear-is-the-key/
Very interesting.
In a way we can consider ourselves with a level of health, say at 100. We need to keep topping it up as activity, toxins and fear will knock it down. If we get too low we get dis-eased.
I would say normal activity takes it away 1 at a time but fear uses a lot of 'health capital' so takes say 10 at a time, so one rapidly reaches 0 and dis-ease compared to the unfearful.
My husband went to the hospital for a routine test, came home, took a nap and when he got up was sick. The next day he tested positive for Covid. He took a prescribed miracle drug I purchased two years ago and was 100% in 5 days. I never got sick. I take D, Quercetin, Zinc and C. He wasn’t taking it consistently. This is the 2nd time this has happened. 1st time was in 2020. We were just talking about this same thing. ps neither of us has taken the jab.
But mfrass, did your husband actually need the “prescribed miracle drug”? Might he have recovered anyway after a few days?
He was very sick. It was Ivermectin and yes, he needed it. Thats why I had it was in my medicine cabinet…so we wouldn’t have to suffer through it if either one of us needed it. Why would I make him wait?
I wasn't making a criticism mfrass, but just wondering about all and sundry taking ivermectin, e.g. people not at serious risk of disease, children etc.
I've particularly focussed on the vaccine products during Covid, not the treatments, but still aware of this idea of 'early treatment', and questioning if this applies to everyone. Many people might just be ill for a few days and recover naturally.
A few years ago I started questioning the push for interventions at the first sign of illness, e.g. see my BMJ response published in 2018: Are 'treatments' for common cold in adults and children doing more harm than good? https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k3786/rr-1
It bothers me that ivermectin is seen as a miracle drug when in reality it should not normally be necessary. It is at least not neuro-toxic like most big pharma drugs.
In any event there are other solutions such as vit C, a great anti-oxidant and one can get that from good fruits and veg.
You (and Dr. Yeadon) are asking the right question -- and one that relates to something I said to my daughter this weekend. In summary, "Scientists and doctors don't actually know as much as they or we think they do about why people get sick with (what we call) colds and flu. Some scientists think that we don't 'catch' things from each other, but that there are different things around us - or even in us - all the time. What changes is us. When the weather changes, when we're not eating right or sleeping well or getting enough sunlight or exercise or fresh air...all of those things can affect our bodies' 'army'."
I also gave her the example of yellow fever and people not knowing for hundreds of years about mosquitos carrying it. (Which I assume is true/verified now, but after what I've been learning lately, who knows?).
"What is the evidence supporting transmission of respiratory ailments from person to person?" is a FAR better question for getting at the truth than, "Do viruses exist?"
But I recently went to a family party for a 60th birthday. There was many of us there, from all different parts of the country who fell ill with covid. I don’t drink alcohol and was only there 3/5 hours but I still got it. Can somebody explain to me how this happened? Dozens of people fell ill with the virus and it transpired there was a couple of people who attended who were at the tail end of covid but still positive.
I want to get on bored with the ‘there’s no such thing as virus’ etc but I really need an explanation how at the start of September I went there for and healthy and like dozens and dozens of others at that party we all came down with the same illness.
Many thanks!
That’s bad luck Danny.
You say “Dozens of people fell ill with the virus and it transpired there was a couple of people who attended who were at the tail end of covid but still positive…dozens and dozens of others at that party we all came down with the same illness”.
Wow, that seems to be a lot of people struck down at one event…
Were all these dozens and dozens of affected people at the 60th birthday party vaccinated?
Thanks for the reply! It was a 60th so it was a very busy event! With regards to the ‘vaccine’ I think the over 50’s definitely would have had them, in the thick of the ‘pandemic’ I think their generation were much more easily swayed. But I know me and my cousins did not get the jab because we obviously new it was bad flu symptoms at worse and it would be ok after a few days. So I guess there was a dived, I’d say about 12 over 50’s got covid and about 12 under 50’s. I was really bad, I am fit and healthy, take vit D, eat organic, so I was quite surprised it got me so bad. Anyway it went have yer a week, and maybe I was a bit run down but nothing major.
What shocked me was just how many people fell ill after the party, I was having several phone calls to family and just hearing how many of us had this was quite shocking! Anyway, I’m not trying to be too contrarian…. I am vaccine hesitant, pretty much totally anti vaccine, I don’t and didn’t follow the party line with regards to covid and I do believe the W.H.O et al, are a dangerous organisation. But I am struggle to cognate this ‘virus’ don’t exist’ thing because I have seen them spread like in the example I have. I would love to know what it could be if I’m tact it wasn’t an air bourne virus.
Then this week I’ve had a common cold, nothing crazy just a little cold, but so has my wife and 2 young children. What could that be?
Thanks for your reply Danny.
I know what you mean by “I am struggle to cognate this ‘virus’ don’t exist’ thing…”
It’s a highly controversial subject, and I’ve tended to give it a wide berth myself, but it has to be investigated objectively.
Viruses being associated with diseases is being used to implement vaccination programs across mass populations, across many people who may never have been at serious risk of disease.
Human papillomavirus is another example, this has been associated with a range of cancers, and vaccination programs implemented around the world. But is this justifiable? I’ll bring up HPV vaccination on another post soon.
I so often hear of and witness large gatherings which result in people falling ill with cold /flu like symptoms. Usually alcohol is involved, but also the food might play a part. All prepared in the same kitchen. Ingredients people wouldn't use at home. Just a thought. I also think the food consumed at children's birthday parties is usually dreadful and its no wonder they often have rashes/colds afterwards. A typical detox reaction.
I agree, but I didn’t eat from the buffet or drank alcohol that night. I travelled couple of hours distance to attend so I already ate at home before arriving
If a bunch of people at a party all become ill within a few days of a party, my first thoughts are food borne illness or bacteria related to bathroom use.
Yep that’s not a bad first thought. But these weren’t food poisoning symptoms, these were flu symptoms. If it wasn’t for covid I would have said it was a bad flu. It was everything Covid is described as. Some people didn’t eat any of the food, some people did. The toilet thing I just don’t buy as there were male and female toilets - it just doesn’t fit with the symptoms which were positive on a covid test,
I know we all want to look for something else and so do I but pursuit of honesty and the truth means I have to say this was covid/bad flu that we all had. The symptoms were in line with virus etc.
I'm not sure what male and female toilets has to do with it.
I'm also saying you didn't have a respiratory illness; indeed respiratory symptoms can be borne of bacteria and other causes. Not all food or water borne illness are "poisoning."
I'm saying
1) It's not proof that the illness is borne from human to human transmission involving a viral agent.
2) It's not proof that SARS-CoV-2 is remarkable or uniquely severe agent.
The stew we call "influenza like illness" (ILI) is simply that.
Pneumonia can be serious business, but the pathogen most frequently identified co-incidental to pneumonia in one pretty solid study was rhinovirus. Most cases never identify a particular pathogen. Some detect more than one. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26172429/
May I ask why you got a COVID test and how the result changed or influenced how you or a doctor treated the illness?
Ok the reason I asked about the toilets is because the odds of what I’m assuming you are getting at, bacteria being present in both male and female is a bit low, surely? What makes these toilets any different any any other toilets on any other day? Why toilets? If there then you could of equally
just said ‘at the bar’ or ‘on the drinks glasses’ etc.
I just found that a little bit of a desperate scenario when you clearly have some kind of cognitive bias with regards to this.
I’m just seeking the truth. I don’t care if it suits my narrative or not There’s every chance this virus was made in a lab, the Wuhan lab to be precise. That’s the ground zero for all of this. Gain of function research was happening there and I’m inclined to believe the virus came from there.
The amount of people nationwide with the same symptoms at that time also confirmed there was definitely a wave of something going through people. It just felt like flu and covid is basically that.
I took the test cos my mrs has lots spare. She is a nurse (unvaxxed nurse) and I wanted to give my clients the benefit of choosing not to come into contact with me as I was pretty run down and clearly caught the virus that was doing the rounds at that time. I wanted to see if it was covid as it felt like covid when I had it before and…. It was covid. That’s why I took a test.
It transpired that my aunty and uncle attended when they wasn’t very well and everybody had the same symptoms they did (covid symptoms)
So far I’ve not been given a good enough reasons that viruses don’t exist.
Danny, you say "I’m just seeking the truth. I don’t care if it suits my narrative or not There’s every chance this virus was made in a lab, the Wuhan lab to be precise. That’s the ground zero for all of this. Gain of function research was happening there and I’m inclined to believe the virus came from there."
Yes, 'the lab theory', and gain of function research. I followed this in 2011/2012, when it emerged that Anthony Fauci's NIAID was funding research into making H5N1/bird flu more transmissible. This is very interesting to think about now...
Sometimes it’s just as easy as following the money!
It may be that sick people can poison other people depending on various factors.
In my opinion, the idea of viruses that pass from person to person, infect cells, hijack the machinery of the cell to replicate, is a fraud.
If someone ingests spoiled food, or is in an environment with a heavy toxic load (coming soon everywhere thanks to the cellular/smart infrastructure being currently deployed) people will react in various ways.
How was your nurse wife able to work unvaxxed? How did she manage to get around the mandates? I'm aware of far too many good nurses who had to leave the profession.
Hey!
So my wife was able to avoid it by refusing right until the deadline and the government then did a U-turn. This was in the UK. I don’t think she’d of been as fortunate in the USA.
Over here they are constantly saying that hospitals are understaffed etc. so it was just obvious, if 50% refused then what would they do? There would be no hospitals. They said it was something like 30% that refused but it’s still an obviously significant number. It was an obvious calling of bluffs and we had Doctors coming out on national TV refusing to take it, which empowered many like my wife!
The government did a U-turn on the day the nurses and doctors were meant to lose their jobs. Ha! Maybe the day before deadline day but very very close.
Your wife is a nurse so what do you do Danny?
In any event COVID 19 is the 'flu re-branded , that's the issue. We need to understand what the 'flu actually is. I did not until 2020.
https://baldmichael.substack.com/p/what-is-the-flu-aka-covid-19-and
As regards Wuhan the whole thing was a psy-op.
https://baldmichael.substack.com/p/wuhan-flu
So it was a communal hall. Therefore remember the committee that runs it or whatever may be cleaning mad with toxic chemicals. These could be on all sorts of surfaces and may become aerosols in the atmosphere.
There could even be Electro Magnetic Frequencies (EMF) as these might cause similar symptoms.
My wife and I have been listening to Agatha Christie's Hercules Poirot a three act tragedy on the radio so this peeks my interest!
The problem lies in that each person is a individual with and individual state of health so each person has to be considered on their own merits.
When did they fall ill, how ill were they, what did they eat and drink, what was in the atmosphere, how are drinking vessels etc. cleaned, where was the party etc. etc.
It is so complex one would have to make a list and interview everybody. There might be some common factors, but there can be many overlapping issues.
You will find some answers here:
https://dpl003.substack.com/p/virology-the-damning-evidence
It was more than the common cold. I made the right decision. Im done explaining it. Thanks.
"You can lead a man to evidence, but you can't make him think."
I don’t second guess myself. It does no good. Neither do insults.
You're right mfrass, insults do no good.
What we need is the opportunity to have a conversation and share ideas. This is something that has been sorely lacking for years, particularly on the subject of vaccination.
I have long been aware that "Darwinian Evolution is Political." The science provides endless examples of evolution within Kinds - dog kind, horse kind, bird kind, cat kind, etc, etc - but nothing showing evolution from one kind to another. The former involves reshuffling or loss of genetic information, the latter assumes creation of new genetic information; a totally different, purely imaginary, ball game. (And having taught High School science I know that Darwinism is "proved" to students by conflating the two.)
So I don't have a fundamental problem with viruses being imaginary. I get upset with the anti-germ theory brigade who seem to want to discredit bacterial infection as well. Are these folk Controlled Opposition, put in place to discredit the whole movement?
Is it true that no virus has ever passed Koch's Postulates? I've googled this in the past, and never came up with a clear answer.
I'm extremely wary of the EMF theories. Firstly, all the debates I have had have been with people who are emotional and full of "scientific" BS. Secondly, it would be so easy to set up experiments to prove harm, and also to relate that to specific frequencies and transmitted power, if the harm was real. I have not seen this.
Finally, I find the lack of concern about mercury and other obvious poisons highly suspect. Here in UK we are still jamming mercury into people's teeth for all we are worth. It's a powerful, ongoing scam, just like vaccines
Darwin and the evolutionary theory that spawned from his ideas is a primary cause of the disaster of modern medicine, let alone 2 world wars, and this one I call world war 3, albeit a political, medical economic war.
Mutating dangerous viruses are a nonsense and have justified poisonous vaccines to big pharma who profit from the lies.
As regards bacterial infection the issue is that bacteria have a role to play in various locations, including our gut. If they get into the wrong place and that place is weakened for some reason then the bacteria, being opportunists, will take advantage. The same is true of fungi for example.
So the working of bacteria needs to be reviewed as it is the condition of the location where the bacteria lies that will decide on whether the organism is dis-eased by them.
In my opinion, the EMF dangers are real. Just like the science is biased around the subject of vaccines (making them seem safe & effective), so is the science around radiation (instead of Pharma/Military it is the Telco/Military industries, a different wing of the same bird).
For starters take a look at the Zory Glaser archive:
https://zoryglaser.com/
I clicked the link and got a write up of what a great scientist Glaser was. Just like school textbooks promote evolution by saying what a brilliant man Darwin was.
Science works through repeatable experiments. As I've already said, setting up experiments that prove or disprove harm from emf would be very easy. I've yet to see anything, including on that site.
I need to see, eg, 20 mice exposed to xx gHz at xx power for xx weeks compared to 20 controls. Nobody has anything.
Click on the tabs “documents by title” or “documents by author” or “documents by date” or “annotated papers” & you will find a listing of thousands of research documents.
https://zoryglaser.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/EFFECT-OF-2450-MHZ-MICROWAVE-FIELDS-ON-PERIPHERAL-NERVES.pdf
https://zoryglaser.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/ELECTRICAL-REACTION-OF-THE-RABBITS-CEREBRAL-CORTEX-TO-VARIOUS-ELECTROMAGNETIC-FIELDS.pdf
https://zoryglaser.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/EFFECTS-OF-ELECTROMAGNETIC-RADIATION-ON-THE-NERVOUS-SYSTEM-B.pdf
“It has become clear, however, that interactions with the mammalian central nervous system can be reliably produced by oscillating electric and electromagnetic fields without significant heatirig
of tissues. Actual measurements in both intact brains and isolated cerebral tissue have shown
that these fields are fully effective, with temperature changes of less than 0.1' C, and that brain
temperature alterations that might be attributable to weak low-frequency electric fields
that produce a variety of behavioral and physiologic responses 2 - 4 are far below the natural perturbalions in brain temperature associated with eating, drinking, or environmentaltemperature
shifts”
Has the experiment you suggest been done? Probably, somewhere & sometime, but I’m not going to spends many hours tracking it down. It’s up to all of us to do our own research. If I come across it & remember I’ll come back to post it for you. However, your focusing on just one study that may or may not be repeatable to settle the issue is naive in the extreme.
You might want to ask the regulators, industry associations & scientific authorities why that study hasn’t been done (to your knowledge) & see what they say.
Personally, I have no doubt, it isn’t in their interests to conduct such studies, unless they can control them & bias the outcome so that no harm is apparent.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Cold_Unit
I think it would be worth delving into the research from the common cold research unit that was based in in Salisbury that closed a few decades back.
Thanks for the tip Debra.
Interesting that the Common Cold Unit was shut down in 1990...
Here's a couple of articles:
The origins of the Common Cold Unit: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5387570/pdf/jrcollphyslond90348-0069.pdf
Obituary for David Tyrell, Head of the Common Cold Unit:
https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140673605667220.pdf
Glad I thought about it. I used to drive past it every day when I worked at Salisbury Hospital (Odstock) 😁
I’ll read it.
Dr. Gustavo Aguirre-Chang
https://twitter.com/Aguirre1Gustavo/status/1609607627981619200
SARS COV2 INFECTION
TRANSMITTED BY A LUNG TRANSPLANT DONOR
Nasopharyngeal PCR tests were Negative before transplantation
Donor transmission was confirmed by PCR+ of lung Bronchoalveolar lavage (BAL) samples
This is now mandated
so this risk will be reduced
Many thanks for asking this question. I once thought diseases including colds and 'flus were transmissible. In 2020 I saw a comment, I think on a YouTube video that diseases were not transmissible. I thought this strange but did not dismiss the thought.
During this time I was undergoing immuno-therapy for an alleged cancer in my parotid gland believed to be in part the cause of my facial palsy. As I eventually worked out, no thanks to the NHS, it was sodium nitrite (E250) poisoning.
In any event I was going to hospital in the supposed peak of the COVID 'pandemic'. The whole thing seemed over rated and as time went on it became more and more bizarre.
We have been told that 'the virus' mutates rapidly yet it was becoming quite ridiculous with all the supposed variants.
This was all enough to make me seriously question the idea of transmission, so many things did not add up. Why do some people fall ill and others not?
I have been a building surveyor working in the UK for around 40 years before retiring hurt as it were due to my health. However, I met a building contractor owner who like me had been to boarding school. He went to Ardingly College, Sussex, a public school (which confusingly means a private senior school).
He was there with his brother in the 'flu outbreak of, I recall, 1957/58. Whilst most of the school went down sick, he and his brother did not. Many boys (it was all boys) were sent home and others looked after in the sanitorium.
He told me he and his brother looked after the other boys as there were so many. There would normally be very limited matron/nursing staff, so all hands on deck would be required.
Anyway, he told me this before 2020 and in conjunction with my understanding of people getting the 'flu jabs and still getting the 'flu, I put 2 and 2 together.
My wife had a 'flu shot in 1989 at a prep school in Sussex. She was ill for 3 days so did not have another again. She told me the school had a severe 'flu outbreak with 80 of the boys (all boarding) being sent home. Given what I understand about vaccines and how they are merely toxic, the logical explanation is that the children generally had 'flu shots and naturally fell ill.
I myself went to Bradfield College near Reading, Berkshire and had a BCG vaccine in 1975. I was very ill that late spring with what was called German Measles (Rubella). I was ill for 2 weeks and did not recover my full strength until the end of the summer.
So all this shows that 'catching' something off someone as regards a disease is not true. We might pass on bacteria, fungal spores, parasites or poisons but what matters is what state of health we are in.
All the above things only affect us if we are weak and our systems our degraded or out of sorts. That is they exploit the situation and we fall ill until we redress the balance.
As regards viruses these are not what they seem and are if anything the exosome which can be considered as garbage disposal, taking waste for disposal. We have been gaslighted as the saying goes into believing viruses are highly dangerous and can 'spread' but this is not the case.
Whilst we do not wish to retain waste in our bodies, it is not contagious.
Mainstream medicine and big pharma, the medical industrial complex rely on the idea of contagion to scare people into taking its poisonous products. Its business model is make people sick and rake in the cash. If anybody is interested they can find all my relevant links in here, but I will always try and answer questions if required.
https://baldmichael.substack.com/p/what-is-the-flu-aka-covid-19-and
Antoine Bechamp’s Terrain Theory states that the body’s internal balance and is disruptions causes inflammation. Germs and diseases is a result not the cause. This resonates with the Chi blood circulation which affects ph levels, blood flow and circadian rhythm which modern western med calls anti science or quackery to promote their brand on wellness which pushes pills, shots and surgeries.
My whole town was sick with Covid in December 2019, everyone was sick, the medical center was covered up. The Heath Dept was covered up. This was before we knew about Covid. Everyone thought it was type A flu because no one was vaccinated against it.
What I find interesting is everyone just took it in stride. Health Dept didn’t test and send samples to the CDC, no, they just told us we all probably had type A flu and No testing was needed.
So to me, if the whole town is sick with the flu, than the virus was contagious. This is just plain ole fashion commonsense.
Covid must of run through our town by the end of January as I never saw everyone sick like I witnessed in December/January of 2019/2020
Te Reagan, how do you know your "whole town was sick with Covid in December 2019"?
That it was 'Covid'?
You say: "What I find interesting is everyone just took it in stride. Health Dept didn’t test and send samples to the CDC, no, they just told us we all probably had type A flu and No testing was needed."
There's a key point - you say the Health Dept wasn't testing, and "everyone just took it in stride".
That's what we did before the testing racket was implemented wholesale, and they started giving names to various respiratory ailments and ratcheting up the fear.
For most of us, all our lives we've had these bugs, whatever they are, mildly or sometimes more seriously, and we eventually get over them. But now these ailments are being used to cause chaos and fear in society, deliberately manufacturing a catastrophe to create massive vaccine markets and control of the population.
It's gone completely mad...and the medical and scientific establishment has gone along with it all, so few are prepared to call this out.
For all we know, these "bugs" are in and around us all the time. With weather and other changes to the body/terrain, we are susceptible to those things triggering illness/symptoms.
That makes a lot more sense to me than the notion that pathogens are circulating per se at different levels of prevalence throughout the year
We definitely need an open and transparent discussion on this subject. Trouble is, it's so polarised... And who are 'the experts'? Seems to me there is much uncertainty, and the pharmaceutical industry has hijacked the agenda.
Exactly. And people cling so closely to their experiences.
Whole town sick? If not exaggerated sounds like your water or air was contaminated. I live in NYC and I expected to know or meet more sick people with covid. Before the vaccine rollout, I barely knew anyone sick with covid. After the covid vaccine mandate started in early 2021, guess what? More people I knew caught covid.
Track the rollout of 5G infrastructure in your town. Look at news clipping from around that time & leading up to it. Look at telco providers press releases on their sites about coverage. Look around your town for cell sites. There may or may not be a temporal correlation with the switch on of fifth generation wireless technology. Exposure to radiation can cause all sorts of symptoms including respiratory distress.