Do people catch 'Covid', colds and flus from other people?
What is the evidence supporting transmission of respiratory ailments from person to person?
I’ve been wondering lately about ‘colds, and ‘viruses’, and ‘flus’…
What is the evidence these are transmitted from person to person? That we catch these things from each other?
For example, I’ve got a cold at the moment, but my husband never seems to ‘catch’ these things off me. (I get something every year or so.)
So it has really set me wondering, what is the evidence for transmission between people? Beyond correlation is causation?
I posed this question to Mike Yeadon recently, this is his response (shared with his permission):
Hi Elizabeth,
That’s exactly the right question.
Can a person with symptoms of acute respiratory illness transmit those symptoms to a healthy person?
I cannot find any evidence for that.
On the contrary, I saw some time ago evidence that investigators had tried many times over a few years in the middle of last century but always failed to get that to happen.
Obviously this blows out of the water the whole idea of respiratory viruses. It’s this evidence that’s pushed me over the top to state “there was not only no pandemic, but no new cause of illness and death”. I don’t see there’s a need, or room, for a novel respiratory pathogen in order to explain everything we’ve seen.
Best wishes
Mike
Mike’s response is interesting to think about…
What do others think?
Glad more people are asking these sorts of questions. Something worth considering:
https://www.online-latin-dictionary.com/latin-english-dictionary.php?parola=virus
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=virus
Could we mostly be just reacting to poisons when we are ill? I suppose one exception could be the phenomenon known as measles. What is it really?
I suspect Yeadon was referring to Arthur Firstenberg's The Invisible Rainbow & the experiments conducted by Rosenau regarding transmission & contagiousness of flu back in the early 1900s.
Experiments To Determine Mode of Spread of Influenza 1919 Milton Rosenau. US Navy.
"As the preliminary trials proved negative, we became bolder, and selecting nineteen of our volunteers, gave each one of them a very large quantity of a mixture of thirteen different strains of the Pfeiffer bacillus, some of them obtained recently from the lungs at necropsy; others were subcultures of varying age, and each of the thirteen had, of course, a different history. Suspensions of these organisms were sprayed with an atomizer into the nose and into the eyes, and back into the throat, while the volunteers were breathing in. We used some billions of these organisms, according to our estimated counts, on each one of the volunteers, but none of them took sick. Then we proceeded to transfer the virus obtained from cases of the disease ; that is, we collected the material and mucous secretions of the mouth and nose and throat and bronchi from cases of the disease and transferred this to our volunteers. We always obtained this material in the same way : The patient with fever, in bed, has a large, shallow, tray like arrangement before him or her, and we washed out one nostril with some sterile salt solution, using perhaps 5 ce., which is allowed to run into this tray ; and that nostril is blown vigorously into the tray. This is repeated with the other nostril. The patient then gargles with some of the solution. Next we obtain some bronchial mucus through coughing, and then we swab the mucous surface of each nares and also the mucous membrane of the throat. We place these swabs with the material in a bottle with glass beads, and add all the material obtained in the tray. This is the stuff we transfer to our volunteers. In this particular experiment, in which we used ten volunteers, each of them received a comparatively small quantity of this, about 1 c.c. sprayed into each nostril and into the throat, while inspiring, and on the eye. None of these took sick. Some of the same material was filtered and instilled into other volunteers but produced no results."
From their conclusion:
"I think we must be very careful not to draw any positive conclusions from negative results of this kind. Many factors must be considered. Our volunteers may not have been susceptible. They may have been immune. They had been exposed as all the rest of the people had been exposed to the disease, although they gave no clinical history of an attack. Dr. McCoy, who with Dr. Richey, did a similar series of experiments on Goat Island, San Francisco, used volunteers who, so far as known, had not been exposed to the outbreak at all, also had negative results, that is, they were unable to reproduce the disease. Perhaps there are factors, or a factor, in the transmission of influenza that we do not know. As a matter of fact, we entered the outbreak with a notion that we knew the cause of the disease, and were quite sure we knew how it was transmitted from person to person. Perhaps, if we have learned anything, it is that we are not quite sure what we know about the disease."
https://archive.org/details/rosenau-milton-j-1919-experiments-to-determine-mode-of-spread-of-influenza-journ
It is telling that these experiments were conducted on Navy personnel. Over the years there has been much experimentation in the military, as I'm sure you're aware. A lot of injections, a lot of poisoning, one might say.
edit - i should also add: Firstenberg's book traces the historical use of electricity from around the industrial revolution onwards. The military were early adopters of radio communications technology. Looking back on it now, it seems probable there were injuries & illnesses attributable to the effects of this technology, in addition to experiments with injections, but the focus was on germ theory.
Before Covid, every year I would get the same very sore throat that eventuated into bronchitis for which I always needed antibiotics. My husband never had any such symptoms or signs of a cold. When Covid came, I became aware of the value of Vitamin D which I have taken every day since and have not had anything of a cold in four years. I do feel I came close to something a few times but nothing eventuated. And those few times were when I was having more stress than usual. I have never had the flu 💉nor the Covid jab. At those few times I gargled with salt and iodine in warm water as the throat always started with a tickle.
I no longer believe in catching respiratory viruses. I believe vitamin D plays a huge part in our health and barely anyone in modern societies can possibly get enough sunlight to support our system. I’m also certain that being run down in anyway opens us up to illness of any sort. Colds should just be a clue we need rest and relaxation. But that’s just my theory and recipe for myself.
Covid has had the great benefit of exposing the real virus of fear and the manner by which have been manipulated and accepted so much as being a fact when in fact we should simple be asking questions and living with not knowing. Plus all the wonderful people we have been exposed to who have helped us see the lies we been living under.
Thanks Elizabeth.