Eight kids in my family, born 1965 to 1975. We all had measles, mumps, whatever German measles is and chicken pox. I remember calamine lotion for spots. I used chickweed paste for my kids. We all have very good health and bounce back quickly if we do get sick. Only one of us has mild allergies. Mum remembers taking us to visit sick kids so we could get it over and done with. Not something I would do but maybe different times. She is no germophobe either and often says "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger".
"Vaccine experts" carry the same vaccine story they were taught by their teachers and mentors who were also taught the same story by their teachers going all the way back. No original thought or investigation into the veracity of their stories has been done, they are fiercely protective of it and will destroy anyone's livelihood who threaten it. Their "innovations" have been to introduce more and more inflammatory adjuvants into the injections, shark extract, aluminium, detergent derivatives, tree bark, the list goes on. No wonder antibody levels are high when they inject the adjuvant, the immune system is reacting to the adjuvants although the "story" is that it will also react to the accompanying viral particle. I am very sceptical even with ethically driven scientists because they follow the same vaccine story, there is no original thought (no one dares).If I had measles I do not remember and I have escaped the measles injection although I did have Rubella, that was an enjoyable time being fussed over by my mother and given anything I wanted to eat and drink!
I had the measles as a small child -- four, maybe? Early 60's. According to my mother, it was a pretty severe case. I remember nothing about it, really...I remember my mother kept the room dark. So I could sleep. Evidently, I slept a lot.
One day, slowly opening my eyes, I looked across the room. With the sliver of background light from the hallway, I could see my mother's silhouette. With her right hand on the door knob, she was slowly, quietly pulling the door closed...I closed my eyes, went back to sleep. As sick as I was, that is one of my fondest, most cherished memories.
She'd come to check on me, as she had quite frequently. She told me later that I was very sick and she kept looking in on me. I'd slept pretty solidly for several days, and my mother was the one who took care of me. No doctor. Had she called our doctor? Maybe. You could back in those days and actually speak with your doctor.
The measles "did their thing." With my mother's care and my own little body's natural reaction, I recovered just fine. As did every single other kid I knew...It was not "end of days" to have the measles.
I was raised in Long Island, New York in the 50's and I certainly remember having measles, I had rubella twice. I remember that the mothers on our block organized a "measles" party to ensure that it went through the street quickly. There were so many women pregnant with post war babies and it was important to keep them safe so we all had measles together. Looking back, I realize how very laid back mothers were about their children's health. Of course, most of the mothers were at home, the only ones who seemed to be working outside the home were nurses and teachers. Our mothers would let us go out to play after breakfast and they didn't see us again until lunchtime. No one fretted because we were all together and there was always someone's mother close to hand if needed. There was a "sewing/coffee" morning every week, each mother took a turn to host. It was here that that the mothers discussed their concerns, arranged birthday parties, babysitting needs and anything else that they needed to share. We were a close knit community and, whenever a mother got sick, the others took over assisting with cooking, looking after children, laundry etc.
I don't remember having measles but I had 'German Measles'. The school sent a bunch of books for me to read and I blazed through them on the first day. I had mumps and my brother had them and we were all very concerned about his balls. He was fine though. Probably did for his fertility with an std later. It's so right that decent sleep, food and exercise are so much more important for outcomes than vaccines. There's so much judgement and bullying for parents from nurses and GPs about getting shots but that's only because that's a box they can check. That's right shills. Your righteous outrage is lazy bureaucracy. If you really cared about kids you'd be more worried about access to vegetables.
My older brother had a German measles, I had regular measles, my sister and youngest brother in the family had the mumps. Same thing with your brother, worrying about the huevos! . My mom knew exactly what to do, same as your mom. I still have her doctor book and my kids call me all the time when something’s up with their kids’ health to find out what to do. I’m basically the family witch doctor!
Pschaaah! Blinds down, jello, tapioca, clear broth…. 10 days later , out riding my bike! All of these diseases we had built our resistance to other diseases-immune system strengthening!
I am 64 and my experiences are very similar to Maryanne's. I had measles early in life and do not remember having it but my mother told me about it. I did get titer testing instead of getting vaccines for employment several years ago and all my titers were good. I did not ever remember having mumps, did have the chicken pox and not sure about Rubella. Amazing, good titers 50 yrs later. Natural immunity sure seems the way to go. Basically, i have been really healthy most of my life. Only issues I have had were more structural than immune issues. (Neck and back surgery which I would not do again due to mistrust of the medical society and my surgeon has retired.)
My trust in the medical industry is completely shot to bits...
Yes, it's the medical industrial complex. This isn't about health, it's about exploiting the population from womb to tomb with every lucrative medical intervention they can dream up. And there are their willing handmaidens in the medical 'profession', ready and willing to pile on the products.
Meanwhile, 'natural health' is right down the drain...
I probably had my measles same time as you did, but I'd have been seven years old. Mumps a year or so later than that. Chicken pox too of course; I think maybe before the other two. All of these were just taken in due course, thought to be no more 'serious' than the flu.
Interestingly I wrote about the 'vaccines= health' idea for HART recently, when it struck me that as a 75 year-old, I had only had 2 vaccines in infancy, namely smallpox and diphtheria, followed by polio when I was 7 and BCG at age 13. This was not because our parents were 'antivaxxers' but because that was the schedule! https://www.hartgroup.org/vaccines-galore/ . Here also is an article I wrote on a recent UK measles cluster which the press likened to the return of the 'Victorian Killer Disease'. https://www.hartgroup.org/unvaccinated-children-barred-from-birmingham-schools/
Ros, in your article you note: “…deaths from measles in England and Wales had almost disappeared more than a decade prior to the arrival of the measles vaccine”.
So why was measles vaccination implemented for mass populations?
Who made this decision? Did doctors raise any questions about this at the time?
My kids (born 1968, 1969 and 1972) all had both rubella and rubeola at different times before they were 5 years old. The boys sufffered photophobia and mild diarrhoea with rubeola but symptoms of rubella were mild, spotty and short lived. No medical assistance was needed or sought.
I had measles when I was 2 years old. At the time we lived on an isolated farm. I did end up in hospital however. Must have been a bad case. Of course I don't remember the episode but I couldn't have been too sick because according to my mother I threw ice cream and jelly all over the walls. I also had mumps and had to stay home from school. My mother made we wear a scarf when I did eventually return to school just in case I got a chill. I had chicken pox as an adult and this was very mild. I got it off my kids. My daughter was 2 when she got it and I was bathing her every day with special soap and then I put calamine lotion on afterwards. I think this is when I got it. Have only had the flu twice in my life. I was born in1953. Haven't had any vaccines for 40 years. Last one was tetanus.
I couldn’t wait to get measles and chickenpox because all the kids got sweets and I wanted some, lol no problem. I would say give me it again but I’m immune not like the injected ones I don’t think they become immune..Mumps no problem..
Those that acquired & overcame measles naturally in those years, may well have been "boosted" when they became adults, by being around or coming into contact with children with measles in later years. Paradoxically, now that artificial immunity is the norm via needles, there is a greater danger of serious adverse events because very few have natural immunity. Andrew Wakefield covered this & a lot of other areas in his Vaccine Risks series of video shorts originally on YouTube pre-2020: https://www.youtube.com/@VaccineRisks
Dr Ah Kahn Syed posted on "pre-pandemic" measles in Samoa in the fourth quarter of 2019 where the vaccines arrived before the outbreak: "The Killing Fields of Samoa" https://www.arkmedic.info/p/the-killing-fields-of-samoa
Samoan parents had been reluctant to vax their children since 2 had died from the measles vaccine in 2018.
It has a story on mandatory vaccination that would make your hair stand on end.
Dr Ah Kahn Syed brought together a series of facts that could suggest that some novel measles virus being active/brought into Somoa. He considered the outbreak was a more medically serious than it should've been, also suggesting the withholding/unavailability of useful therapeutics such as Vit A&C. He brought forward a measles/sars chimeric virus sequence with Ralph Baric as a co-author, as an example of something novel that could be introduced.
NB: Measles-based self-replicating covid vaccines are officially documented on WHO's research list.
As a consequence of the close links between Samoa/Islands and New Zealand, a large outbreak also developed in NZ, particularly Auckland. This is what the RACGP says:
"In 2019, one of Australia’s closest neighbours, New Zealand, recorded its largest measles outbreak in over two decades. The Auckland region had 1735 confirmed measles cases from the start of January 2019 to 15 January 2020.6 There has been a higher proportion of hospitalised cases during the Auckland outbreak (35–40%, in comparison to the 10% expected) and a higher than expected rate of complications among those hospitalised (three cases of encephalitis, 65 cases of pneumonia and five pregnant women hospitalised with measles infection, including two fetal losses associated with these cases).7 Hospitalisations and complications have mainly been reported among children aged <4 years.7 https://www1.racgp.org.au/ajgp/2020/march/measles-elimination-in-australia
So NZ found it considerably more serious, and there shouldn't have been a lack of medical treatment/therapy.
Regarding Australia's experience, after an outbreak in 2013, Australia had eliminated again by 2014, suffering only traveller incursions to 2018. But in 2019 Australia had 284 registered measles cases, and Vic Health put out a twitter notice warning about measles in relation to these outbreaks on 13 Dec 2019: https://x.com/HPA_MV/status/1207893289984151553
We had 25 cases before pandemic travel restrictions were invoked in 2020, and the measures eliminated 'measles' in Australia again, with no cases after the lockdowns, 0 through 2021, 7 in 2022 and then 26 in 2023.
New Zealand seems to have had something more to gain from leading the serious lockdowns.
I’m 61. Measles at age 5. Remember it well because I wasn’t allowed near my new born baby sister, and had a lot of time in my bedroom being bought yummy food by my nana.
Mumps at 9. Totally bummed because I could be the princess in the end of year concert and looked like a bullfrog for several days. The sore throat was very uncomfortable. More time in my bedroom.
Chicken pox at 15… bummed about having to share my bedroom with my younger sister this time and horrified by my proxy face when looking in the mirror (something most 15 yr old girls would feel lol).
So all in all, just an uncomfortable inconvenience on three occasions if my childhood.
I'm 63 and also had measles at 5. We all four siblings were put in a room together so we'd all have it at once. I remember it as a fun time with perhaps one day of feeling a bit sick and glad the blinds were closed (for our eyes).
Strangely only my younger brother got mumps, though I was right beside him marvelling over his face. And none of us had chicken pox, though I was definitely exposed in various outbreaks. I thought we must've had some genetic immunity, but if so I didn't pass it onto my children - they all got it.
Just saying though, I am a bit concerned about all the engineering that's being done with the measles virus, using it for example as a vehicle for the covid spike protein in self-replicating vaccine efforts. It's all a bit fraught.
I had the measles, my mother recorded them in a book which she kept for each of us seven children. I was very young 1-2 yrs old and had the red measles, German measles, and rubella in my first two years.... My mother's main concern when any of us had them was to keep us from bright sunlight to protect our vision, which seemed to be a concern back in the late 50s-early 60s. I recall that because I was diagnosed with a wandering eye upon starting school and she said it was due to my sun exposure a day or two before the measles appeared. Not sure of the validity of that.
I also had the mumps at age 4, and topped the childhood routine off with chicken pox while in grade school at about age 6.
The strange thing is that the vaccines for measles/mumps/rubella were started after I had them, and yet had to have the shots... makes NO sense in retrospect.
Eight kids in my family, born 1965 to 1975. We all had measles, mumps, whatever German measles is and chicken pox. I remember calamine lotion for spots. I used chickweed paste for my kids. We all have very good health and bounce back quickly if we do get sick. Only one of us has mild allergies. Mum remembers taking us to visit sick kids so we could get it over and done with. Not something I would do but maybe different times. She is no germophobe either and often says "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger".
"Vaccine experts" carry the same vaccine story they were taught by their teachers and mentors who were also taught the same story by their teachers going all the way back. No original thought or investigation into the veracity of their stories has been done, they are fiercely protective of it and will destroy anyone's livelihood who threaten it. Their "innovations" have been to introduce more and more inflammatory adjuvants into the injections, shark extract, aluminium, detergent derivatives, tree bark, the list goes on. No wonder antibody levels are high when they inject the adjuvant, the immune system is reacting to the adjuvants although the "story" is that it will also react to the accompanying viral particle. I am very sceptical even with ethically driven scientists because they follow the same vaccine story, there is no original thought (no one dares).If I had measles I do not remember and I have escaped the measles injection although I did have Rubella, that was an enjoyable time being fussed over by my mother and given anything I wanted to eat and drink!
I had the measles as a small child -- four, maybe? Early 60's. According to my mother, it was a pretty severe case. I remember nothing about it, really...I remember my mother kept the room dark. So I could sleep. Evidently, I slept a lot.
One day, slowly opening my eyes, I looked across the room. With the sliver of background light from the hallway, I could see my mother's silhouette. With her right hand on the door knob, she was slowly, quietly pulling the door closed...I closed my eyes, went back to sleep. As sick as I was, that is one of my fondest, most cherished memories.
She'd come to check on me, as she had quite frequently. She told me later that I was very sick and she kept looking in on me. I'd slept pretty solidly for several days, and my mother was the one who took care of me. No doctor. Had she called our doctor? Maybe. You could back in those days and actually speak with your doctor.
The measles "did their thing." With my mother's care and my own little body's natural reaction, I recovered just fine. As did every single other kid I knew...It was not "end of days" to have the measles.
I was raised in Long Island, New York in the 50's and I certainly remember having measles, I had rubella twice. I remember that the mothers on our block organized a "measles" party to ensure that it went through the street quickly. There were so many women pregnant with post war babies and it was important to keep them safe so we all had measles together. Looking back, I realize how very laid back mothers were about their children's health. Of course, most of the mothers were at home, the only ones who seemed to be working outside the home were nurses and teachers. Our mothers would let us go out to play after breakfast and they didn't see us again until lunchtime. No one fretted because we were all together and there was always someone's mother close to hand if needed. There was a "sewing/coffee" morning every week, each mother took a turn to host. It was here that that the mothers discussed their concerns, arranged birthday parties, babysitting needs and anything else that they needed to share. We were a close knit community and, whenever a mother got sick, the others took over assisting with cooking, looking after children, laundry etc.
I don't remember having measles but I had 'German Measles'. The school sent a bunch of books for me to read and I blazed through them on the first day. I had mumps and my brother had them and we were all very concerned about his balls. He was fine though. Probably did for his fertility with an std later. It's so right that decent sleep, food and exercise are so much more important for outcomes than vaccines. There's so much judgement and bullying for parents from nurses and GPs about getting shots but that's only because that's a box they can check. That's right shills. Your righteous outrage is lazy bureaucracy. If you really cared about kids you'd be more worried about access to vegetables.
My older brother had a German measles, I had regular measles, my sister and youngest brother in the family had the mumps. Same thing with your brother, worrying about the huevos! . My mom knew exactly what to do, same as your mom. I still have her doctor book and my kids call me all the time when something’s up with their kids’ health to find out what to do. I’m basically the family witch doctor!
Pschaaah! Blinds down, jello, tapioca, clear broth…. 10 days later , out riding my bike! All of these diseases we had built our resistance to other diseases-immune system strengthening!
I imagine my mom met soup made with water and either chicken or beef and not soup made with milk. That’s what I think anyway.
I am 64 and my experiences are very similar to Maryanne's. I had measles early in life and do not remember having it but my mother told me about it. I did get titer testing instead of getting vaccines for employment several years ago and all my titers were good. I did not ever remember having mumps, did have the chicken pox and not sure about Rubella. Amazing, good titers 50 yrs later. Natural immunity sure seems the way to go. Basically, i have been really healthy most of my life. Only issues I have had were more structural than immune issues. (Neck and back surgery which I would not do again due to mistrust of the medical society and my surgeon has retired.)
HI SashaSue, I think you might be referring to my experience with measles, looks like we had a very similar experience, including have titer testing.
It's a very grim state of affairs that mass populations are being set up to be vaccinated against diseases we can handle naturally.
My trust in the medical industry is completely shot to bits...
Yes, it's the medical industrial complex. This isn't about health, it's about exploiting the population from womb to tomb with every lucrative medical intervention they can dream up. And there are their willing handmaidens in the medical 'profession', ready and willing to pile on the products.
Meanwhile, 'natural health' is right down the drain...
I probably had my measles same time as you did, but I'd have been seven years old. Mumps a year or so later than that. Chicken pox too of course; I think maybe before the other two. All of these were just taken in due course, thought to be no more 'serious' than the flu.
I remember chicken pox, no big deal.
In Australia varicella/chicken pox is now in the second dose of measles, mumps, rubella vaccine, given around 18 months - the MMRV.
In the UK they didn’t recommend chicken pox vaccination because it might impact on shingles. Last I heard they’re planning to change that and add it to the schedule, see this article: JCVI recommends chickenpox vaccine in childhood immunisation programme, 14 November 2023: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/jcvi-recommends-chickenpox-vaccine-in-childhood-immunisation-programme
They won't stop until enough people refuse. I can't fathom how any parent can still be stupid enough to fall prey to their scam.
Interestingly I wrote about the 'vaccines= health' idea for HART recently, when it struck me that as a 75 year-old, I had only had 2 vaccines in infancy, namely smallpox and diphtheria, followed by polio when I was 7 and BCG at age 13. This was not because our parents were 'antivaxxers' but because that was the schedule! https://www.hartgroup.org/vaccines-galore/ . Here also is an article I wrote on a recent UK measles cluster which the press likened to the return of the 'Victorian Killer Disease'. https://www.hartgroup.org/unvaccinated-children-barred-from-birmingham-schools/
Well done Dr Ladapo.
Ros, in your article you note: “…deaths from measles in England and Wales had almost disappeared more than a decade prior to the arrival of the measles vaccine”.
So why was measles vaccination implemented for mass populations?
Who made this decision? Did doctors raise any questions about this at the time?
My kids (born 1968, 1969 and 1972) all had both rubella and rubeola at different times before they were 5 years old. The boys sufffered photophobia and mild diarrhoea with rubeola but symptoms of rubella were mild, spotty and short lived. No medical assistance was needed or sought.
I had measles when I was 2 years old. At the time we lived on an isolated farm. I did end up in hospital however. Must have been a bad case. Of course I don't remember the episode but I couldn't have been too sick because according to my mother I threw ice cream and jelly all over the walls. I also had mumps and had to stay home from school. My mother made we wear a scarf when I did eventually return to school just in case I got a chill. I had chicken pox as an adult and this was very mild. I got it off my kids. My daughter was 2 when she got it and I was bathing her every day with special soap and then I put calamine lotion on afterwards. I think this is when I got it. Have only had the flu twice in my life. I was born in1953. Haven't had any vaccines for 40 years. Last one was tetanus.
Thanks for your recollections Jan.
So it seems people can deal with these issues themselves, without mass population unnatural interventions.
We have to demand a review of the entire vaccination schedule, it's crazy now what is being pressed upon mass populations, from 'womb to tomb'...
See the Australian vaccination schedule for example, and add to this recent 'Covid' and RSV...
https://www.health.gov.au/resources/publications/national-immunisation-program-schedule
I couldn’t wait to get measles and chickenpox because all the kids got sweets and I wanted some, lol no problem. I would say give me it again but I’m immune not like the injected ones I don’t think they become immune..Mumps no problem..
Those that acquired & overcame measles naturally in those years, may well have been "boosted" when they became adults, by being around or coming into contact with children with measles in later years. Paradoxically, now that artificial immunity is the norm via needles, there is a greater danger of serious adverse events because very few have natural immunity. Andrew Wakefield covered this & a lot of other areas in his Vaccine Risks series of video shorts originally on YouTube pre-2020: https://www.youtube.com/@VaccineRisks
Dr Ah Kahn Syed posted on "pre-pandemic" measles in Samoa in the fourth quarter of 2019 where the vaccines arrived before the outbreak: "The Killing Fields of Samoa" https://www.arkmedic.info/p/the-killing-fields-of-samoa
Samoan parents had been reluctant to vax their children since 2 had died from the measles vaccine in 2018.
It has a story on mandatory vaccination that would make your hair stand on end.
Dr Ah Kahn Syed brought together a series of facts that could suggest that some novel measles virus being active/brought into Somoa. He considered the outbreak was a more medically serious than it should've been, also suggesting the withholding/unavailability of useful therapeutics such as Vit A&C. He brought forward a measles/sars chimeric virus sequence with Ralph Baric as a co-author, as an example of something novel that could be introduced.
NB: Measles-based self-replicating covid vaccines are officially documented on WHO's research list.
As a consequence of the close links between Samoa/Islands and New Zealand, a large outbreak also developed in NZ, particularly Auckland. This is what the RACGP says:
"In 2019, one of Australia’s closest neighbours, New Zealand, recorded its largest measles outbreak in over two decades. The Auckland region had 1735 confirmed measles cases from the start of January 2019 to 15 January 2020.6 There has been a higher proportion of hospitalised cases during the Auckland outbreak (35–40%, in comparison to the 10% expected) and a higher than expected rate of complications among those hospitalised (three cases of encephalitis, 65 cases of pneumonia and five pregnant women hospitalised with measles infection, including two fetal losses associated with these cases).7 Hospitalisations and complications have mainly been reported among children aged <4 years.7 https://www1.racgp.org.au/ajgp/2020/march/measles-elimination-in-australia
So NZ found it considerably more serious, and there shouldn't have been a lack of medical treatment/therapy.
Regarding Australia's experience, after an outbreak in 2013, Australia had eliminated again by 2014, suffering only traveller incursions to 2018. But in 2019 Australia had 284 registered measles cases, and Vic Health put out a twitter notice warning about measles in relation to these outbreaks on 13 Dec 2019: https://x.com/HPA_MV/status/1207893289984151553
We had 25 cases before pandemic travel restrictions were invoked in 2020, and the measures eliminated 'measles' in Australia again, with no cases after the lockdowns, 0 through 2021, 7 in 2022 and then 26 in 2023.
New Zealand seems to have had something more to gain from leading the serious lockdowns.
I’m 61. Measles at age 5. Remember it well because I wasn’t allowed near my new born baby sister, and had a lot of time in my bedroom being bought yummy food by my nana.
Mumps at 9. Totally bummed because I could be the princess in the end of year concert and looked like a bullfrog for several days. The sore throat was very uncomfortable. More time in my bedroom.
Chicken pox at 15… bummed about having to share my bedroom with my younger sister this time and horrified by my proxy face when looking in the mirror (something most 15 yr old girls would feel lol).
So all in all, just an uncomfortable inconvenience on three occasions if my childhood.
How things have changed.
I'm 63 and also had measles at 5. We all four siblings were put in a room together so we'd all have it at once. I remember it as a fun time with perhaps one day of feeling a bit sick and glad the blinds were closed (for our eyes).
Strangely only my younger brother got mumps, though I was right beside him marvelling over his face. And none of us had chicken pox, though I was definitely exposed in various outbreaks. I thought we must've had some genetic immunity, but if so I didn't pass it onto my children - they all got it.
Just saying though, I am a bit concerned about all the engineering that's being done with the measles virus, using it for example as a vehicle for the covid spike protein in self-replicating vaccine efforts. It's all a bit fraught.
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I had the measles, my mother recorded them in a book which she kept for each of us seven children. I was very young 1-2 yrs old and had the red measles, German measles, and rubella in my first two years.... My mother's main concern when any of us had them was to keep us from bright sunlight to protect our vision, which seemed to be a concern back in the late 50s-early 60s. I recall that because I was diagnosed with a wandering eye upon starting school and she said it was due to my sun exposure a day or two before the measles appeared. Not sure of the validity of that.
I also had the mumps at age 4, and topped the childhood routine off with chicken pox while in grade school at about age 6.
The strange thing is that the vaccines for measles/mumps/rubella were started after I had them, and yet had to have the shots... makes NO sense in retrospect.